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Old Jan 7, 2006 | 08:36 PM
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If you a running lean, just lean enough to cause some detination at higher rpms could that make you lose a considerable amount of power?
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Old Jan 7, 2006 | 08:54 PM
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Your knock sensor will be telling the ecm to retard timing.
How much, i have no idea
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Old Jan 8, 2006 | 02:41 AM
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If you are getting knocks ,YES. I just went through this with a bad EGR causing knocks.It would not pull under load just stumble until near WOT.Most of the retard was pretty tame too 1-2 deg but it was enough to make the car run poorly.
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Old Jan 9, 2006 | 10:51 AM
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hmmmm. if it kept knocking would the check engine light come on?
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Old Jan 9, 2006 | 11:03 AM
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It certainly could-don't know what year you have, but a knock sensor MAY cause the light to come on indicating a code has been thrown due to a fault in a circuit or sensor. A knock sensor MIGHT throw a code 43 for instance.

Here's a good site for you to check out.

http://www.c4vettes.com/ecm.htm
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Old Jan 9, 2006 | 11:18 AM
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Mine threw no code.It had over 5000 knocks in 5 min on the scan.It was not loud knocks but enough to retard the timing every now and then.
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Old Jan 9, 2006 | 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by cplonner
hmmmm. if it kept knocking would the check engine light come on?
YES! The purpose of the knock sensor and the ESC, is to detect knock and retard the timing to stop the knock. If the knock doesn't stop, something isn't working. My car is set up to trigger the check engine light after 4 seconds knock produced voltage at the ECM.

In answer to your "curious question", if the A/F mixture is lean enough to induce knock, then yes, power will be lost. You will lose power from the knocking. You will lose power by the ESC retarding the timing, and you will have less than maximum power due to the lean mixture, alone. In the PE mode you want to see something between 12.5:1 and 13.5:1 A/F ratio for best power.

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Old Jan 10, 2006 | 11:46 AM
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For lean condition I have a Adjustable fuel pressure regulator im about to put in, I gonna change out the egr vavle because its still the old one even though the engine was rebuilt. Even if the afpr fixes the lean mixture i still need to get a tune. Besides a bad egr or a lean condition what faulty components can cause knock?
Also, i no longer have the air recurtulation tube from the catylitic converter connected, is there still use for the rest of the egr system if i do not have this connected?

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Originally Posted by cplonner
Besides a bad egr or a lean condition what faulty components can cause knock?
Too much spark advance, gasoline with to little octane, too much cylinder pressure, too high of a compression ratio, shards of metal in the combustion chamber, like an overhanging gasket edge or an non-radiused machined surface junction, the wrong heat range spark plugs,...and the list goes on.

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ew, hopfully its just the lean mixture
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