I have 2 want 1? 
First time at track, why so slow??
Melting Slicks
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From: Construction Sucks! MI
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first time ever at the track i ran a 13.88 at 98.8mph.
only mods were no cat and free mods. had stock exhaust manifolds with 255 tires.
i'm putting headers on now and have 295 tires. i hope to pull out a 13.6 if i can get a good launch.
only mods were no cat and free mods. had stock exhaust manifolds with 255 tires.
i'm putting headers on now and have 295 tires. i hope to pull out a 13.6 if i can get a good launch.
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Originally Posted by BrainDamage
He would have run faster without all the exhaust stuff. I've seen cars slow down when thats all they do. He was throwing torque away (less cyl. pressure) which was the best thing he had going for him. A good running 90 5.0 5-speed with sticky tires and a good driver at sea level should have no problems running 14.0s and maybe quicker. I know a guy that ran 14.7s on regular radials here locally and our air is usually around 5500 ft. density altitude during racing season. It was a totally stock car. Just for comparisson, my friend's dad had a 89 C4 with an auto and it typically ran 15.2s.
I'm not here to bash corvettes, my personal 12 second 89 GT (in same 5500 ft air) with a vortech is for sale so that I can either pick up a LT-1 C4 or a M3 if I can find a decent deal on one. I just want to set the story straight. In lurking around this site, I think too many folks here have very limited track experience and really don't know what car is how fast vs. other cars. There seems to be a lot of loyalty and faith in the vettes, which is not unexpected, it just may not be an accurate view of reality.
I'm not here to bash corvettes, my personal 12 second 89 GT (in same 5500 ft air) with a vortech is for sale so that I can either pick up a LT-1 C4 or a M3 if I can find a decent deal on one. I just want to set the story straight. In lurking around this site, I think too many folks here have very limited track experience and really don't know what car is how fast vs. other cars. There seems to be a lot of loyalty and faith in the vettes, which is not unexpected, it just may not be an accurate view of reality.
Also FYI, Fox Body stangs dont gain alot with exhaust. L-98's do.
Last edited by 88BlackZ-51; Mar 21, 2006 at 08:54 AM.
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My '85 ran 14.60 stock in 1988. (65K miles)
My '87 roadster ran 14.8 stock in 1990. (28K miles)
My '88 coupe ran 14.45 stock in 2005. (60K miles)
I took the '85 to 11.90. The '88 is still stock, and the '87 has went deep in the 9s.
I do not care to think of the money that has gone to make this car run. I could have easily have had a Z06 and then some. Ouch, that hurts to say!
Aaron
My '87 roadster ran 14.8 stock in 1990. (28K miles)
My '88 coupe ran 14.45 stock in 2005. (60K miles)
I took the '85 to 11.90. The '88 is still stock, and the '87 has went deep in the 9s.
I do not care to think of the money that has gone to make this car run. I could have easily have had a Z06 and then some. Ouch, that hurts to say!
Aaron
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Another big part on how these cars ran stock (both makes) is how they were optioned from the factory. Be it lower gears (not the 2.59 ratio but the 3.07)transmission(auto vs manual) and weight (coupe vs convertible). Also, starting in 87 aluminum heads were standard along with roller lifters which resulted in a 5hp bump for a total of 240hp, in 88 coupes sold with the 3.07 rear ratio received another 5hp bump. So as the years progressed so did the cars.
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Originally Posted by Gold1986Vette420
Not really as close as you think. My buddy's 90 LX 5.0 with headers and true duals (no cat) managed a best of 14.691 @ 96.1. (on video).
He is a 120 lb. driver to boot. .
He is a 120 lb. driver to boot. .
To make matters worse we are 6-0 lifetime in my favor Caddy vs. his Stang. Most of these street runs are on Video. I have even been behind him on some street races vs. ricers (w/ caddy) and pass these ricers and stay on his bumper from a 60' defecit.
BTW even at the track I posted a better ET than his Stang as the Caddy went a best of 14.65 @ 96.35 on a 2.27 60' (traction control).
To make matters worse my Caddy is the Stripped Version (not ETC) with only 275 HP and 3.11 gears. Spins, bogs, then wait for the cam to come on. DOHC makes good top end but the caddy aint setup for leaving hard. My Moms ETC has 300 HP and 3.71 gears and you can switch the traction control off Could easily walk most stock fox bodys.
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Originally Posted by 88BlackZ-51
Find me a stock 87-93GT. Its only mod can be exhaust. Come to my track in Ontario, and then lets rock and roll. I will show you my tailights.
Also FYI, Fox Body stangs dont gain alot with exhaust. L-98's do.
Also FYI, Fox Body stangs dont gain alot with exhaust. L-98's do.
And when did I say that a stock Mustang would beat your car?? I said they should go 14.0s with sticky tires and a good driver @ sea level. Is yours even stock?? Go back and reread my last post again, as you have absolutely twisted (or simply ignored) what I said to fit whatever arguement you want to make. It sounds like one of us has his entire identity and ego wrapped up in his car and just got insulted.....and just to give you a hint, it ain't me. My car is for sale, so I can try a different toy.
People like you make it more likely I'll skip a vette and head for a M3, though.
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Heel & Toe
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From: Boise ID
Originally Posted by Sinister87
Hey braindamage, I had a friend that owned a 93 LX(lighter than the GT) that ran a best of 14.77 with an H-pipe,shifter, pulley's,shorty headers and an K&N filter. Afterwards with new gears, chip, new clutch, Drag Radials and advancing his timming he got down to a 14.20 @ a sea level track. On average, the earlier C4's will run a 14.30 or 14.40 stock with a decent driver, whereas the mustang's would usually be good for 14.70's to 14.80's stock from what I have seen and read.
Mostly, like anything else, I think it boils down to driver experience,track prep,temps and altitude of track. On a side note, I owned an 87 T-type that I ran once, at the same track as mentioned above and it ran a 14.08 with a K&N filter,gutted cat and chip. Also, that time was ran with a crappy 2.22 60ft. As mentioned above, these are my observations and not set in stone, just passing along the info from a different perspective, thanks for reading.
Mostly, like anything else, I think it boils down to driver experience,track prep,temps and altitude of track. On a side note, I owned an 87 T-type that I ran once, at the same track as mentioned above and it ran a 14.08 with a K&N filter,gutted cat and chip. Also, that time was ran with a crappy 2.22 60ft. As mentioned above, these are my observations and not set in stone, just passing along the info from a different perspective, thanks for reading.
Like another person said, there is a lot of driver ability in the times some people get. My car trapped 112+ which is typically in or close to the 11s, but I only went 12.56 with it. It was spinning through first and I'm not a great power shifter (don't even try), so that was probably where the time was lost.
I'm glad you brought up the turbo Buicks, tons of potential there. They are definitely fast cars and I think for the given model years probably about as fast as the Corvettes were....until the corners, anyway.
I came to this site to learn about corvettes and am considering buying one, but its disappointing to see so many that can't admit their cars aren't god....unless its to another Corvette. I find it ironic that the one guy with the 9 second car was very willing to show times in the 14s for his other cars. That is reality and the type of realistic personality I have come to expect from people who aren't simply trying to prove something.
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Originally Posted by BrainDamage
I came to this site to learn about corvettes and am considering buying one, but its disappointing to see so many that can't admit their cars aren't god....unless its to another Corvette.
Originally Posted by BrainDamage
People like you make it more likely I'll skip a vette and head for a M3, though.
Damn good thing I buy stuff without consulting the corvette forum or I wouldn't own anything.
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Originally Posted by BrainDamage
Uh oh...doesn't look like I'm making a good impression here. LOL! I even said I wasn't here to bash Corvettes but you apparently missed that....selective reading comprehension, I guess.
And when did I say that a stock Mustang would beat your car?? I said they should go 14.0s with sticky tires and a good driver @ sea level. Is yours even stock?? Go back and reread my last post again, as you have absolutely twisted (or simply ignored) what I said to fit whatever arguement you want to make. It sounds like one of us has his entire identity and ego wrapped up in his car and just got insulted.....and just to give you a hint, it ain't me. My car is for sale, so I can try a different toy. People like you make it more likely I'll skip a vette and head for a M3, though.
And when did I say that a stock Mustang would beat your car?? I said they should go 14.0s with sticky tires and a good driver @ sea level. Is yours even stock?? Go back and reread my last post again, as you have absolutely twisted (or simply ignored) what I said to fit whatever arguement you want to make. It sounds like one of us has his entire identity and ego wrapped up in his car and just got insulted.....and just to give you a hint, it ain't me. My car is for sale, so I can try a different toy.
People like you make it more likely I'll skip a vette and head for a M3, though.Last edited by 88BlackZ-51; Mar 21, 2006 at 02:19 PM.
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Who cares whos car is faster? You like a Mustang, get a Mustang. Like the M3 or Vette than grab one. Internet pissing contests shouldnt influence your decision.
Last edited by cv67; Mar 21, 2006 at 02:39 PM. Reason: spelling
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Originally Posted by cuisinartvette
Who cares whos car is faster? You like a Mustang, get a Mustang. Like the M3 or Vetee than grab one. Internet pissing contests shouldnt influence your decision.
Give'er.......Dog pisses on tree's. Does it **** faster then a skunk?
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From: Boise ID
Originally Posted by hippy
You're going to let how someone responds to you on an internet forum decide what kinda car you drive?
Damn good thing I buy stuff without consulting the corvette forum or I wouldn't own anything.
Damn good thing I buy stuff without consulting the corvette forum or I wouldn't own anything.
Ive had the 89GT for 10+ years and it feels like time for something new. Its time for something that corners and brakes well. I haven't ruled anything out yet. Like I said, I didn't come in to bash anything, just to set the record straight.
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St. Jude Donor '05
Good luck on picking up a vette. Theres lots of guys in the know here, racers, gearheads, waxers, trivia freaks-You name it.
Used to have a few 5.0's myself.
460 power, didnt handle worth a damn though.
Used to have a few 5.0's myself.
460 power, didnt handle worth a damn though.
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From: SCMR Rat Pack'r Charter Member..Great Bend KS
Originally Posted by BrainDamage
Unfortunately, his response was too typical of most of the Corvette owners I have met....I thought maybe it was just Boise owners....especially the one's that haven't been to the track. His most recent response leads me to think we may get along ok yet.
That said, I'm sure you realize that internet marque forums (like this), and one-make car clubs have some very territorial people as members.
It's natural.
You'll have to go to an "autocrosssing" or "drag racing" type forum if you want any semblance of unbiased thinking.
We at the Corvette Forum like our Corvettes.
If we didn't, we wouldn't be here.I hope you can join us as an owner soon, you sound like a reasonably intelligent, reasonably articulate individual!
Larry
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Originally Posted by cuisinartvette
Who care's who's car is faste'r? You li'ke a Must'ang, get a Must'ang. Like the M'3 or V'ette than grab one. Intern'et pissing contest's shouldn't influence you'r decision.
P.S. You're a good speller.
