..but, will it have pistons?


Larry
code5coupe

 

if there is a Header only option.. i would be interested. heck make me a prototype and i'll buy it for my 93

Im dissapointed with the current options. Im on the c5/6 sections alot and they are so lucky to have so many options and bautiful headers to choose from. Reason i ask for a header only option is i already have a B&B 3" system.. and random tech 3" mettalic cats already.. would be a waste to change them.

I would be more than willing to pay a little extra for any set of headers you guys try out
psychowette@hotmail.com

 

I would consider buying.

Steven

 

It would be nice to have more 1 7/8" options. And would you sell the headers seperate, or with cats only.

 

I am interested in a set of LT headers for a 92 LT1 that have all the stock emissions hookups in the right places

 

I am not a candidate, but for reference my system costs:

EM LT including shipping.............$708
High flow cats..........................$277
Material to adapt to 3" B&B.........$106
SS clamps................................$3 4
Felpro Gaskets..........................$15.25
Stage8 Header Bolts...................$64

Total of above materials = $1204

I don't remember exact price but Stainless Works was MORE.....

So if you really mean a complete kit, $1491 is not really out of line with your competitors........

but I agree the others, if we were big buck guys we would be driving C5 & C6's, I think there is a big market here, but most are going to be looking for a lower price.........I already did, as price was about the only reason I didn't go with Stainless Works who is less than an hour from my house...

Good luck......really hope you do find a way to successfully support the C4 market...

 

I do not think that I would buy. 1400.00 is a little to much

 

I bought the TPIS headers because I wanted to do the install and from what I could tell, it was the easiest to work with. That said, I still think there was a lot I had to have done (by a shop) to get them to work right (you can see my list of good/bad here: header install ).

My point is that if a company made a C4 header that was a true bolt up that the owner could install himself, I would pay $1500 no problem. As it was, I probably paid $1500 after all was said and done, but I had to put up with a number of issues I didn't expect and found very frustrating because I was expecting a simple bolt up operation.

While I don't mind spending the cash, I think it is important to note that I also have a C5, and I may not be typical of the C4 demographic.

 

I'm amazed that nobody has come up with a "bolt this in and you will not have any hassle whatsoever" system like they have for my C5. You get what you pay for. If you want it to be hassle-free and not require a muffler shop to weld up, you're gonna be paying more. For me, that's worth a few hundred bucks if it saves me time.

 

I recently bought a complete set-up from Stainless works for just under $1200 shipped on a group buy.

The set consisted of the headers (1 5/8 primaries) with my choice of bungs, Random Tech SS high flow cats, mandrel bent SS extentions to run from the cats to the central resonator, all necessary high quality clamps and the spacers necessary for the alternator bracket. It is a first class set-up. The only extras that I had to buy were the gaskets and the Breslin splitlock header bolts

NOW you might be interested to know that they do not manufacture 1 3/4" primaries for C4's due to the difficulty of getting to spark plugs and so if you were to offer folks the larger size primaries for the same price I would think that you would have some buyers from this forum as you folks have a great reputation.

I specifically wanted the smaller size primaries and they are the only ones that I am aware of that make SS in that size.

If you can match their price ..... you've got a possible winner but like the rest have said most of us C4 guys, while we LOVE TO MOD are generally on much tighter budgets than the C5 & C6 people.

Thank you very much for asking.

 

If you manufactured a Header/Y-pipe combination that literally bolted up to the central catalytic converter in the 84/85's (an oval 4 bolt flange pre-post converter), in all SS... I'd pay $1500 for the complete set. That's something I could put in in the parking lot... lol - one of the reasons I passed on the Stainless Works group purchase (didn't want to fart around with a muffler shop locally).

 

Have you thought about making them CARB legal?

 

Oh yea, if you could do that .... you could EASILY command a premium price. You see the entire west coast is adopting the CA smog rules.

OR legislature is considering the implementation and WA has already passed legislation that says they will adopt when OR does.

 

I'm looking to buy emission's legal LT's, with high flow cats for my 96 but like already mentioned above, I want a true bolt on, that one can perform on their own, without the hassle of taking it to a muffler shop. Yes, I am also budget minded but will be willing to pay extra for quality and ease of installation.

 

i think thats the key right there. Paying extra for the quality and ease of install. i think anyone would.

 

The key in the C4 market is VALUE. There are alot more DIY'ers here. It really needs to install well, this includes paying attention to standoffs so that accessory support brackets fit nicely. Except for the rear #8 bolt, no standoff there needed, tight enough as is

Beware though, I see very few Stahl (click on model 113, 82-97 C4) headers on C4's, don't know of a single one to be honest, and they are super quality big $ headers.

 

Do it Carmen, you can use my car for the prototype.

 

I'll put it this way. I for one would spend 500 dollars right now on a set of quality ss lt headers like the ones ss works makes. I would bet half the forum that eventually wants headers would too. Find out how many members we have, get a sample of how many would buy at that price and see if you can produce them and make money too. I did not jump at the group purchase price even though i salivated because the cost is out of my range for my perceived value of headers vs benefits associated with stock manifolds.

My point is you'll sell a truck load of them at what we forum members perceive as the best bang for the buck. Most of us think our c4's are the best bang for the buck in terms of price/performance/ looks.

If you can produce a best bang for the buck header that follows that concept, I believe most of us who actually want headers will buy from you.

for a real world example, take a look at the recent brake rotor sales on the forum. Maybe the quality didnt match the big brake names, but sales are apparently much better than thy expected. because it is a perceived bargain. say what you will but if someone pulled up to my house with slotted x drilled rotors I would be thinking.....those must be baer or eradispeed, but i couldnt tell the difference. I don't know if the performance is different...but I would bet performance return is marginal on the cost difference.

for every one set of headers you sell at 1500, i bet you would sell 20 at 500. How about it guys don't make me a liar. Would you buy a set at 500? And would you be willing and able to prodcuce them and still make money? Your call.

 

i do agree with the above BUT. I would stop at no price to have the BEST headers for my c4. I dont think this is possible with $500. i dont think every single c4 owner has one just because of the fact that they are affordable and super cheap now. look at how many people there are that have multiple c4s. how about all those who have spent $$$ in upgrades. i think the market is out there.

 

well... after looking at all the replies.... I have tried to have longtube headers installed on an LT4 that is currently at Lingenfelters. This has proven to be a lost cause. They claim that due to emission laws and the problems they have had with subsequent LT4 headers that they will NOT do them.... OK... I understand their reluctance if they have had some previous installation problems that have cost them, but that being said... then you adjust your price accordingly. I can appreciate that they are busy and don't want to mess with additional work that screws with schedules but I was of the belief that they were the ultimate race prep tuners.

I know they are busy and my pitance is only a mark on their sched but it is still my heart and soul and damn it...I want my car done right!

Just ventin'
GS060