C4 Tech/Performance L98 Corvette and LT1 Corvette Technical Info, Internal Engine, External Engine

58mm Naysayers.

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jun 23, 2006 | 12:40 AM
  #21  
vader86's Avatar
vader86
Team Owner
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 62,137
Likes: 1,727
From: Athens AL
C7 of the Year - Unmodified Finalist 2021
C4 of Year Finalist (performance mods) 2019
Default

Originally Posted by 1996man
we need someone to do this test with a 92-96 motor!
52s have been proven to help on otherwise stock LT4 cars in track results, but Nathan Plemons' results on his LT1 showed that he lost power on a highly modified motor

so who knows
Reply
Old Jun 23, 2006 | 01:46 AM
  #22  
500hp's Avatar
500hp
Burning Brakes
20 Year Member
Conversation Starter
All Eyes On Me
 
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 781
Likes: 0
Default

The PRIMARY, most important requirements for a larger throttle body are:
Better flowing or ported heads (moving more cfm).
Big cam with more duration (able to utilize a larger volume of air).
High RPMs (needs a greater quantity of air).
Forced induction (positive pressure works best without restrictions).

SECONDARY, less important factors are:
Larger open plenum intake manifold (greater capacity for air).
Increased cubic inches (more cylinder filling required).
Free flowing exhaust (logical balance when improving the combustion process).

Other factors that can be assumably related to the above are your target HP goal, emphasis on racing, and quality of air.
BUT don't forget that without an appropriate increase in fuel quantity/quality, the benefits of more air/cfm are much less apparent and difficult to quantify.

This is why you see guys with high horsepower carburated 350s running a 650 cfm carb on the street and then change over to a 850 cfm (or larger) carb when they go racing. Their engine can handle a lot of air, and fuel, but their optimized race carb has crappy street manners, poor fuel economy, etc.. EFI cars have a little more flexibility in these areas, but can still suffer from similar driveability issues when trying to balance maximum output against off idle response.
Reply
Old Jun 23, 2006 | 04:11 AM
  #23  
cv67's Avatar
cv67
Team Owner
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 81,241
Likes: 3,063
From: altered state
St. Jude Donor '05
Default

Originally Posted by 8388
The engine is going to pull what it needs. Engines that require more will get more. Engines the don't need more won't notice a difference.
Reply
Old Jun 23, 2006 | 05:40 AM
  #24  
93 ragtop's Avatar
93 ragtop
Le Mans Master
25 Year Member
Conversation Starter
All Eyes On Me
Liked
 
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 5,713
Likes: 105
From: Manassas VA
Default

Originally Posted by 1996man
we need someone to do this text with a 92-96 motor!


I ran several back to back runs on mine as shown in signature, between a 48mm and a 52mm TB. I couldnt see where it helped at all. Now keep in mind I am still running stock injectors and when Alvin tuned it, he has the injectors set to max but I am going a little lean at the upper rpms.
I plan to put 30lb injectors in it and would like to catch Alvin when he will be in my neighborhood, or at least within 125 miles. to dyno tune it and at that point we could switch between the 48 and 52 for some dyno readings. May see a small gain there, but I dont look for much.
On the other side of the coin, Lingenfelter used the bigger TB on both his 350 and 383 engines. He must have seen something there in order to justify using them.
Reply
Old Jun 23, 2006 | 07:52 AM
  #25  
8388's Avatar
8388
Team Owner
 
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 24,125
Likes: 3
St. Jude Donor '14
Default

Originally Posted by ctoneil
I have a 417 cu in, and the 58mm I run is a necessity. Personally, unless your running a 383+ there's no reason for it.
It's not just cubic inches that determines weather a bigger throttle body is necessary or not, it has more to do with how much air a given engine is able to consume, generally goes hand and hand with higher reving engines. Example, and radical "350" may need it, while a super mild "383" may not.
Reply
Old Jun 23, 2006 | 07:58 AM
  #26  
8388's Avatar
8388
Team Owner
 
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 24,125
Likes: 3
St. Jude Donor '14
Default

Originally Posted by vader86
52s have been proven to help on otherwise stock LT4 cars in track results, but Nathan Plemons' results on his LT1 showed that he lost power on a highly modified motor

so who knows
Anytime changes are made to either air or fuel -/+ the ecm must be recalibrated. Was this done ?
Reply
Old Jun 23, 2006 | 09:28 AM
  #27  
rodj's Avatar
rodj
Thread Starter
Le Mans Master
25 Year Member
 
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 8,838
Likes: 31
From: Australia
Default

I my "test" the only change was the TB; no so much as to improve performance but to prove / disprove posts that a 58mm will make a stock/ mild 350 run worse and kill bottom end.
The MAF has a good ability to adjust for airflow variations , moreso than a SD which does need to be recalibrated when changes are made
Reply
Old Jun 23, 2006 | 06:28 PM
  #28  
GeosFun's Avatar
GeosFun
Burning Brakes
 
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 914
Likes: 1
From: Redding Ca
Default

I just hate it when someone does a back to back test and debuncs all the theories. Sort of takes the fun out of being a genius who needs no actual performance data.
Reply
Corvette Stories

The Best of Corvette for Corvette Enthusiasts

story-0

Top 10 Most Explosive Corvettes Ever Made: Power-to-Weight Ratio Ranked!

 Joe Kucinski
story-1

150 hp to 1,250 hp: Every Corvette Generation Compared by the Specs That Matter

 Joe Kucinski
story-2

8 Coolest Corvette Pace Cars (and Replicas) of All Time

 Verdad Gallardo
story-3

Top 10 Corvette Engines RANKED by Peak Torque (70+ Years of Muscle!)

 Joe Kucinski
story-4

Corvette ZR1X Will Be Pacing the Indy 500, And Could Probably Race, Too!

 Verdad Gallardo
story-5

Top 10 Corvettes Coming to Mecum Indy 2026!

 Brett Foote
story-6

Top 10 C9 Corvette MUST-HAVES to Fix These C8 Generation Flaws!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-7

10 Revolutionary 'Corvette Firsts' Most People Don't Know

 Joe Kucinski
story-8

5 Reasons to Upgrade to an LS6-Powered Corvette; 5 Reasons to Stay LT2

 Michael S. Palmer
story-9

2027 Corvette vs The World: Every C8 vs Its Closest Competitor

 Joe Kucinski




All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:29 AM.

story-0
Top 10 Most Explosive Corvettes Ever Made: Power-to-Weight Ratio Ranked!

Slideshow: The 10 most explosive Corvettes ever built based on power-to-weight ratio.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-20 07:23:03


VIEW MORE
story-1
150 hp to 1,250 hp: Every Corvette Generation Compared by the Specs That Matter

Slideshow: From C1 to C8 we compare every Corvette generation by the numbers.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-12 16:54:12


VIEW MORE
story-2
8 Coolest Corvette Pace Cars (and Replicas) of All Time

Slideshow: Some Corvette pace cars became collectible legends, while others perfectly captured the look and attitude of their era.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-11 09:50:51


VIEW MORE
story-3
Top 10 Corvette Engines RANKED by Peak Torque (70+ Years of Muscle!)

Slideshow: Ranking the top 10 Corvette engines by torque output.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-05 11:58:09


VIEW MORE
story-4
Corvette ZR1X Will Be Pacing the Indy 500, And Could Probably Race, Too!

Slideshow: A Corvette pace car nearly matching IndyCar speeds sounds exaggerated, until you look at the numbers.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-04 20:03:36


VIEW MORE
story-5
Top 10 Corvettes Coming to Mecum Indy 2026!

Among a rather large group of them.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-04 13:56:44


VIEW MORE
story-6
Top 10 C9 Corvette MUST-HAVES to Fix These C8 Generation Flaws!

Slideshow: the top 10 things Corvette owners want in the C9 Corvette

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-04-30 12:41:15


VIEW MORE
story-7
10 Revolutionary 'Corvette Firsts' Most People Don't Know

Slideshow: 10 Important Corvette 'firsts' that every fan should know.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-29 17:02:16


VIEW MORE
story-8
5 Reasons to Upgrade to an LS6-Powered Corvette; 5 Reasons to Stay LT2

Slideshow: Should you buy a 2020-2026 Corvette or wait for 2027?

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-04-22 10:08:58


VIEW MORE
story-9
2027 Corvette vs The World: Every C8 vs Its Closest Competitor

Slideshow: 2027 Corvette lineup vs the world.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-24 16:12:42


VIEW MORE