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Old Mar 30, 2006 | 10:04 PM
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Well, took CFI's advice and ran the motor to 2000 rpm this morning w/thermostat open, topped off coolant til it was full and stuck the cap on. I took the overflow cap off, and at about 170 shut the motor off, no overflow at all. No drops (visible anyway) lost today. Ill have to pressurize the system sometime this weekend if I get a minute. Sure would like to know what the root of the problem is.
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Old Mar 30, 2006 | 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by MrNuke
On an LT1, yes, on an L98 I dunno.. My '85 had the original cap for 21years.. Never any problems.
if you had a lower then stock t-stat - that is fine.

I run a 13lb cap with a 180 stat and havent had a problem for the last year - and I drove it about 400 miles the weekend of the OC Boardwalk Bash.
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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by CFI-EFI
ABSOLUTELY not!
Absoultely not what? That's kinda vague as a few things have been thrown out there. Is it absolutely not that a 16 lb cap would make a difference to a 15 lb cap?
If that's what you mean I say, and you can quote me, "ABSOULTELY NOT."



Here is MY suggestion, do a exhaust gas test of the coolant. If your overfull keeps overfilling I doubt your problem is as simple as a bad radiator cap.
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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by CentralCoaster
Why?

7 lb cap will lower your boiling point.
A 7lb. cap will raise the boiling point to around 235 degrees which is about 10 degrees higher than the fan turn on point. Most of my vehicles have the original hoses on them, and I have not had to replace leaky heater cores and intake manifold gaskets and the like. Maybe I'm way off base, but I believe the lower cooling system pressure puts less stress on hoses and gaskets and such.
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Old Apr 1, 2006 | 09:50 PM
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Wwll, 2 days later and appears to be leaking from same place, due to car movement?

I took the reservoir cap off when I got in tonight, was wet around it....COolant inside was cold, turned car off and let it sit, nothing pusing out. No coolant in oil, wtf? Radiator itself still dropping level, where the heck is it going? Bad cap?
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Old Apr 1, 2006 | 10:20 PM
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I would check all the plumbing under the engine - the oil heater and things like that. There are allota points that can leak there.
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Old Apr 1, 2006 | 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by hippy
Absoultely not what? That's kinda vague as a few things have been thrown out there. Is it absolutely not that a 16 lb cap would make a difference to a 15 lb cap?
If that's what you mean I say, and you can quote me, "ABSOULTELY NOT."
fine... but no need to yell... at least that's my thinking.

Here is MY suggestion, do a exhaust gas test of the coolant. If your overfull keeps overfilling I doubt your problem is as simple as a bad radiator cap.
I agree with that... just because there is no oil means nothing. I would be checking for contamination.

Also, pull the plugs. They are the one thing that will give you an inside view of the combustion chamber.
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Old Apr 1, 2006 | 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by cuisinartvette
I just bought a 16 lb cap from Vatozone awhile back now that I think about it and thats when the "losing thing started".

In fact, later that same day after pulling in the DMV parking lot the lower radiator hose blew off-Came out from my appointment to find the entire ground area around the car doused in coolant ....COuld a defective cap cause that kind of pressure?
Well if it was a new 16lb cap and it was defective, hmmm, could be. What if it wasn't opening until say, 25lb? That might account for the hoses blowing off, and it might even for the push back through the cap.

So, what you're saying is that if you go from stone cold in the morning and take a look at the plastic overflow tank, the level stays the same after the car's been driven and you stop somewhere. Come back out, still same level. Go home, level never changes but coolant comes out new cap.
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Old Apr 1, 2006 | 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by bogus
I would check all the plumbing under the engine - the oil heater and things like that. There are allota points that can leak there.

WTF is the oil heater? AND, who was yelling?
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Do you know anyone with a radiator pressurizer tool? I used to lose hair trying to find leaks (and I cannot afford to lose any hair) and finally bought one of the devices from NAPA. Not cheap, but sure finds leaks!
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Old Apr 1, 2006 | 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by LT4CompYell
Well if it was a new 16lb cap and it was defective, hmmm, could be. What if it wasn't opening until say, 25lb? That might account for the hoses blowing off, and it might even for the push back through the cap.

So, what you're saying is that if you go from stone cold in the morning and take a look at the plastic overflow tank, the level stays the same after the car's been driven and you stop somewhere. Come back out, still same level. Go home, level never changes but coolant comes out new cap.
The rad. cap isnt leaking, Ill try a new one in the morning and see if they have a pressurize/gases thingamajiggee I can use.
The bit about the rad. cap not opening til 25 lbs (+-)makes sense. Lots of pressure in that rad.
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Originally Posted by hippy
WTF is the oil heater? AND, who was yelling?
the oil filter housing on the L98 has this thing that coolant passes through... I guess it keeps the oil closer to engine temps... all I know is that it could be a leak cause.

I wasn't picking on you... it was the phrase "absolutely not" in bold caps that I was picking on.
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Old Apr 2, 2006 | 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by bogus
the oil filter housing on the L98 has this thing that coolant passes through... I guess it keeps the oil closer to engine temps... all I know is that it could be a leak cause.

I wasn't picking on you... it was the phrase "absolutely not" in bold caps that I was picking on.

I was trying to convey my opinion that "absolutely not" was how I felt.


That little housing by the filter with coolant running thru it is called an earl cooler. It isn't there to heat the earl up but to cool the earl down.
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Old Apr 2, 2006 | 12:46 AM
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My earl cooler helps heat my engine oil during warmup.



I should be more clear. A 7 lb cap will reduce your boiling point, compared to the stock 17 lb cap. I wouldn't feel comfortable with a 235 boiling point, when the fan comes on at 228. And I guarantee that 228 at the temp sender doesn't mean it's not hotter somewhere else in the system.
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Old Apr 2, 2006 | 12:52 AM
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Interesting....

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...11&forum_id=48
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Old Apr 2, 2006 | 04:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Jerris
...or the hose to the overflow has a hole. If this happens the radiator pulls air in as it cools not the coolant from the overflow.
I had a '79 Trans Am (and oh boy if you think C4's are flexy, you'd think that car was made of rubber) with the same problem you describe. It turned out the problem was exactly what Jerris described--the connection between the rubber hose from the radiator and the plastic siphon tube in the overflow tank had a small air leak so whenever the radiator cooled and tried to suck the coolant back in from the overflow tank, it would just suck air. I ended up putting an aircraft clamp on the joint and all was well.

The recovery tank setup on the 'Vette is different from the Trans Am, so I'm not sure where the most likely place for an air leak would be. Still, I'd check it out as best as you can as your symptoms were exactly what I was experiencing.

Good luck!

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Old Apr 2, 2006 | 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by CentralCoaster
My earl cooler helps heat my engine oil during warmup.



I should be more clear. A 7 lb cap will reduce your boiling point, compared to the stock 17 lb cap. I wouldn't feel comfortable with a 235 boiling point, when the fan comes on at 228. And I guarantee that 228 at the temp sender doesn't mean it's not hotter somewhere else in the system.
All I can tell ya is by using a 7lb. rad cap I haven't had any coolant boil out issues in any of my vehicles. Another controversial issue is the thermostat. I put a 180 degree thermostat in all of my vehicles. All but one of my vehicles have well over 100K miles on them, a couple of them are kissing 200K miles. I haven't had a major engine / auto tranny problem in any of them.

I would suppose if I lived in Arizona, the 7lb. cap may be marginal, but as I said in an earlier post, even in 90+ degree weather here in MI, I have no boil out problems with a 7 lb. rad cap.
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Well, I exchanged the new cap for another and changed the hose on the overflow, had a slight kink to it, not bad though.
Pressurized the system to a little over 20 lbs, lost maybe 1 lb in a 10-15 min span and held.
See how it goes from here.
Getting the oil changed tonight, Ill check for water in the oil . PCV, oil fill, dipstick, etc shows no signs of moisture at all.
Ill start pulling plugs, etc soon as I get my DD back-Hopefully next week.
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if you still have the cooling system pressure tester you may be able to spot a bad head gasket by installing the pressure tester and warming the car up until the tstat opens then pressurizing your radiator to around 15lbs and watch the needle on the tester while the engine idles if you have a blown head gasket you should see the needle spikeing when the adjacent cylinder fires.not a final test but a quick indicator
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Old Apr 6, 2006 | 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by redazz
if you still have the cooling system pressure tester you may be able to spot a bad head gasket by installing the pressure tester and warming the car up until the tstat opens then pressurizing your radiator to around 15lbs and watch the needle on the tester while the engine idles if you have a blown head gasket you should see the needle spikeing when the adjacent cylinder fires.not a final test but a quick indicator
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I tested it at Autozone, manager loaned me one. Motor was hot, but off. Ill go back tomorrow and try it with motor running, good tip there.
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