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Apr 20, 2006 | 07:22 AM

MR NICE

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Hi, Just did the halfshafts and driveshaft on my 85,with tips from this board it was a piece of cake

I read on here to get the Spicers without the grease fitting,I ended up with Spicers with the grease fittings.The ones without had the same boss for the grease fitting just not drilled out,also they are coated for no metal reaction.The old ujoints were dry, now I can grease them once a year.What makes these joints weaker than the no grease fitting u joints?I spent $54.00 wholesale for all 6,if I went with non greaseable around 160.00 for all 6.For a stock car does it make a difference?

Apr 20, 2006 | 08:07 AM

C4driver99

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Im also curious about that as well

Apr 20, 2006 | 02:04 PM

Casethecorvetteman

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I oredered some heavy duty universals with some other parts i have recently ordered (swaping to DANA 44 in my 94, doing the lot while i have it apart) I got them for $100 each in AUSTRALIAN DOLLARS. Regular ones wouldve been about $56 Australian dollars each. I havent got them here yet, they should arive next week sometime. Ill tell you more about them when they arive if you like...

Apr 20, 2006 | 02:50 PM

CFI-EFI

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What makes these joints weaker than the no grease fitting u joints?

The grease fitting. With the boss not drilled and tapped, the spider is of uniform strength. The hole provides a weak spot in the spider and the threads cause stress risers. If you drive normally and don't race a lot, they will probably be OK. I hope you installed them with the grease fitting in compression, not in tension. For $54.00 for 6 joints, you must have got Spicer's third, or worse, quality line. I just can't picture 6 Spicer joints for $54.00. I hope they last for you.

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Apr 20, 2006 | 08:34 PM

MR NICE

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I got them at a auto wholesale where a friend gets parts for a garage bussiness,they are brand new in the box Spicer all 6 $54.00 out the door

All my u-joints failed due to no grease, maybe these greaseable joints will last longer in my stock 240hp car?

Apr 21, 2006 | 08:59 AM

Casethecorvetteman

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All my u-joints failed due to no grease, maybe these greaseable joints will last longer in my stock 240hp car?

Could do mate, time will tell, although it could be alot of years before you know. You can grease up the normal ones too, you just have to pull them apart to do it.

Apr 21, 2006 | 02:36 PM

CFI-EFI

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I got them at a auto wholesale where a friend gets parts for a garage bussiness,they are brand new in the box Spicer all 6 $54.00 out the door

I used to be a warehouse distributor for Spicer products. We sold to the people that sold to the garages. Our source was, Spicer. WE paid a lot more than that. I'd love to see a copy of that invoice, for the part numbers and the individual prices.

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All my u-joints failed due to no grease, maybe these greaseable joints will last longer in my stock 240hp car?

Only if someone thinks to grease them. As per any reference you'll look at, your u joints aren't grease-able. Whether they have fittings or not is a matter of strength, not longevity in wear. Properly maintained, your grease-able joints very will may outlast the non-grease-able joints you replaced.

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Apr 22, 2006 | 11:05 AM

MR NICE

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I look for the reciept, $54.00 out the door,I have nothing to lie about

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Apr 22, 2006 | 11:55 AM

Casethecorvetteman

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I look for the reciept, $54.00 out the door,I have nothing to lie about

mate, this is true, you would certainly only be fooling yourself if you did!!

Apr 22, 2006 | 05:57 PM

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CFI-EFI

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I look for the reciept, $54.00 out the door,I have nothing to lie about

I don't think you are lying. I would just like to see exactly, what it is that you bought and for what prices. You certainly have nothing you have to prove to me or anyone. I would just like to be informed, if you don't mind.

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Jul 19, 2006 | 10:11 AM

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MR NICE

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Hey I found that invoice, $54.61 out the door, if you want any info off it or a pic. let me know.

half shaft 5-178x 1350 series u joint $9.49 ea + tax
drive shaft 5-153x 1310 series u joint $6.78 ea + tax

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Jul 19, 2006 | 10:51 AM

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installed them with the grease fitting in compression, not in tension.

What does that mean, Ive never heard those terms.

Jul 19, 2006 | 10:58 AM

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Thank you. No other information needed. Those are the standard, universal, generic, common usage, 1310 and 1350 u joints used everywhere. They are NOT treated to prevent electrolysis in an aluminum drive shaft. Thank you for the info. Mystery solved. No mystery

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Jul 19, 2006 | 11:09 AM

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What does that mean, Ive never heard those terms.

When power is applied, the transmission yoke drives the weld yoke in the drive shaft. You want to place the Zerk hole on the side of the transmission yoke ear, such that it is in the direction of forward rotation, from that ear. This places the Zerk under compression as the car is accelerated. On the other side of that ear the Zerk is in the part of the joint that is "in tension" under normal acceleration. Is that understandable?

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Jul 19, 2006 | 11:39 AM

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Thanks to CFI-EFI & of course THE FORUM For sharing this information . I learn something new everytime I tune in . How else would this be possible!
Warren .

Jul 19, 2006 | 11:46 AM

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Is that understandable?

Thanks

Jul 19, 2006 | 11:49 AM

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MR NICE

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Inthe first post I stated they were not coated for aluminum drive shaft and had the grease fitting

Jul 19, 2006 | 02:35 PM

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Inthe first post I stated they were not coated for aluminum drive shaft and had the grease fitting

Really?

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The ones without had the same boss for the grease fitting just not drilled out,also they are coated for no metal reaction.

Is that what that means? Thanks for the translation.

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Jul 19, 2006 | 03:17 PM

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MR NICE

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Originally Posted by CFI-EFI

Really?

Is that what that means? Thanks for the translation.

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your welcome

My fault not coated.

Jul 19, 2006 | 05:00 PM

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Rich Silvestris

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St. Jude Donor '05

My car coughed up a u-joint last night. In preparing for the job I called NAPA. They identified the U-joints (for 87 w D44) as:

Half shafts: Spicer 231C @ $36.99 ea.
Main shaft: Spicer 369C @ $19.99 ea.

Do these numbers sound right??

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