R134 "Super"?
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From: Shindand AB
R134 "Super"?
I am hearing rumors of another version of R134. It is supposed to be 50% cooler than regular R134. Maybe this is a brand name or something.
Anyone else hear of this Super R134?
Thanks.
Anyone else hear of this Super R134?
Thanks.
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From: Shindand AB
Originally Posted by Tom Piper
I haven't heard of the R134a super.
But, if it is a "blend", stay away from it.
Most of the stuff, other than R12 and R134a, are blends -- example, Freeze 12.
Tom Piper
But, if it is a "blend", stay away from it.
Most of the stuff, other than R12 and R134a, are blends -- example, Freeze 12.
Tom Piper
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Freeze 12 if a substitute for R12. Here is a current info add;
FREEZE 12™ is EPA acceptable for mobile applications subject to the use conditions applicable to motor vehicle air conditioning.
FREEZE 12™ is an ideal replacement for R-12 requiring no extensive training.
FREEZE 12™ is a patented product.
FREEZE 12™ is non-flammable and contains no CFC'S.
FREEZE 12™ is made from readily available raw materials.
FREEZE 12™ requires no system flushes or lubricant change. It works with the existing R-12 lubricant.
FREEZE 12™ has been sold for several years and has been installed successfully in thousands of makes and models without problems.
FREEZE 12™ is the ideal replacement for older R-12 A/C systems that normally require expensive retrofitting to R-134a.
FREEZE 12™ is priced way below R-12.
FREEZE 12™ is lighter than R-12 therefore you will not have to use as much. Approximately 90% of the required R-12 charge is all that is needed.
I have never had any feedback on the product myself, but would like to hear some.
FREEZE 12™ is EPA acceptable for mobile applications subject to the use conditions applicable to motor vehicle air conditioning.
FREEZE 12™ is an ideal replacement for R-12 requiring no extensive training.
FREEZE 12™ is a patented product.
FREEZE 12™ is non-flammable and contains no CFC'S.
FREEZE 12™ is made from readily available raw materials.
FREEZE 12™ requires no system flushes or lubricant change. It works with the existing R-12 lubricant.
FREEZE 12™ has been sold for several years and has been installed successfully in thousands of makes and models without problems.
FREEZE 12™ is the ideal replacement for older R-12 A/C systems that normally require expensive retrofitting to R-134a.
FREEZE 12™ is priced way below R-12.
FREEZE 12™ is lighter than R-12 therefore you will not have to use as much. Approximately 90% of the required R-12 charge is all that is needed.
I have never had any feedback on the product myself, but would like to hear some.
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i have heard pros and cons about it. however, i would rather stick with "the real deal". i have stockpiled about 100-150lbs of r-12 in 30 lb jugs and single cans and have done the same with 60lbs of 134..........for the future.......
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Originally Posted by pcolt94
Freeze 12 if a substitute for R12. Here is a current info add;
FREEZE 12™ is EPA acceptable for mobile applications subject to the use conditions applicable to motor vehicle air conditioning.
FREEZE 12™ is an ideal replacement for R-12 requiring no extensive training.
FREEZE 12™ is a patented product.
FREEZE 12™ is non-flammable and contains no CFC'S.
FREEZE 12™ is made from readily available raw materials.
FREEZE 12™ requires no system flushes or lubricant change. It works with the existing R-12 lubricant.
FREEZE 12™ has been sold for several years and has been installed successfully in thousands of makes and models without problems.
FREEZE 12™ is the ideal replacement for older R-12 A/C systems that normally require expensive retrofitting to R-134a.
FREEZE 12™ is priced way below R-12.
FREEZE 12™ is lighter than R-12 therefore you will not have to use as much. Approximately 90% of the required R-12 charge is all that is needed.
I have never had any feedback on the product myself, but would like to hear some.
FREEZE 12™ is EPA acceptable for mobile applications subject to the use conditions applicable to motor vehicle air conditioning.
FREEZE 12™ is an ideal replacement for R-12 requiring no extensive training.
FREEZE 12™ is a patented product.
FREEZE 12™ is non-flammable and contains no CFC'S.
FREEZE 12™ is made from readily available raw materials.
FREEZE 12™ requires no system flushes or lubricant change. It works with the existing R-12 lubricant.
FREEZE 12™ has been sold for several years and has been installed successfully in thousands of makes and models without problems.
FREEZE 12™ is the ideal replacement for older R-12 A/C systems that normally require expensive retrofitting to R-134a.
FREEZE 12™ is priced way below R-12.
FREEZE 12™ is lighter than R-12 therefore you will not have to use as much. Approximately 90% of the required R-12 charge is all that is needed.
I have never had any feedback on the product myself, but would like to hear some.
And, blends have components of different molecular size.
If you have a small leak, the smaller molecular component will leak at a faster rate than the larger molecular component -- then, the blend is no longer the same blend.
Also, some blends that are not flammable when blended correctly become flammable when the blend ratio changes.
A pro won't even look at a blend for good reason.
Tom Piper
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From: Port McNicoll Ontario
I found this:
Environmentally friendly Hot Shot refrigerant is a high performance replacement for R-12, R-134a and R-500. Its patented blend duplicates R-12's operating characteristics. UL Classified (see complete marking on product) with Safety Classification A1, Hot Shot is up to 8% more efficient than R-12, up to 20% more efficient than R-134a.
Not called super R-134 but looks interesting.
I also heard something about R-414 which is what I was searching when I found this Hot Shot refrigerant.
http://www.icorinternational.com/testimonial.html
Environmentally friendly Hot Shot refrigerant is a high performance replacement for R-12, R-134a and R-500. Its patented blend duplicates R-12's operating characteristics. UL Classified (see complete marking on product) with Safety Classification A1, Hot Shot is up to 8% more efficient than R-12, up to 20% more efficient than R-134a.
Not called super R-134 but looks interesting.
I also heard something about R-414 which is what I was searching when I found this Hot Shot refrigerant.
http://www.icorinternational.com/testimonial.html
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Go here and it will tell you all you need to know (such as the fact that Freeze 12 is 80% R134 - why even consider it?):
http://www.epa.gov/spdpublc/snap/ref...html#otherinfo
http://www.epa.gov/spdpublc/snap/ref...html#otherinfo
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From: South Bend, Indiana
Not to start a controversy here, just my personal experience. 3 years ago I thought I needed a replacement compressor for my 88. I talked to several rebuilders, all in Florida, and they all highly recommended Freeze 12. Turned out I didn't need or use the reman. compressor I bought but I switched to Freeze 12 on a tight system. Only other change was to a varible orifice valve (maybe this has something to do with the results???) but I've owned this car for 15 years and the air has never been colder. This is the first time ever that I have to bump the setting up from the max 60 dergrees on a hot day because the cabin is that cold. It's been 3 years now and I've never looked back. Back then the remanufacturer said I would thank him for the recommendation and I did. Has anyone else had actual experience with the product instead of hearsay?
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Some test results are here:
http://www.autoacforum.com/messagevi...&threadid=9171
Vent temps for Freeze 12 were good - I'm satisfied with R12 (38 degrees is the lowest I've seen on my digital and it was 65 degree day). Nor have I ever spent more than $15 for a can of R12 so the refrigerant for my rebuild set me back less than 50 Bucks (plus the cost of getting licensed - $25). I would be concerned about the lubricant and more importantly that if I ever got tired of doing it myself, it might be difficult if impossible to find anyone to work on it.
http://www.autoacforum.com/messagevi...&threadid=9171
Vent temps for Freeze 12 were good - I'm satisfied with R12 (38 degrees is the lowest I've seen on my digital and it was 65 degree day). Nor have I ever spent more than $15 for a can of R12 so the refrigerant for my rebuild set me back less than 50 Bucks (plus the cost of getting licensed - $25). I would be concerned about the lubricant and more importantly that if I ever got tired of doing it myself, it might be difficult if impossible to find anyone to work on it.
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From: CV ca
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Originally Posted by Tom Piper
I haven't heard of the R134a super.
But, if it is a "blend", stay away from it.
Most of the stuff, other than R12 and R134a, are blends -- example, Freeze 12.
Tom Piper
But, if it is a "blend", stay away from it.
Most of the stuff, other than R12 and R134a, are blends -- example, Freeze 12.
Tom Piper
