Free 15+ HP
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Melting Slicks
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Free 15+ HP
Clean your K&N Filter
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(This PSA brought to you by the dumbass that didnt do it for 2+ years and was wondering why it was running like chit. Thought everyone could use a reminder)
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(This PSA brought to you by the dumbass that didnt do it for 2+ years and was wondering why it was running like chit. Thought everyone could use a reminder)
Pro
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From: Elverson PA
Also, clean your MAF. Sometimes K&N oil cooks all over the wire. Do not overoil your filter. I posted this in another thread, but thought it was interesting enough to repeat. Sorry if you read it already.
I tried the new CRC MAF cleaner and cleaned my volvo and vettte mafs. The vette's is only 4 yrs old and wasn't too bad, but the volvo's was terrible (130,000 miles). It looked clean so I didn't think it would help, but when I sprayed it off over a clean rag much black came off. I don't know if it helped, but I'm sure it must have. I have been getting better mileage lately, so maybe that is why. Maybe it is from not driving around at full boost (turbo) all the time too. It says on the can that cleaning your maf adds horspower and mileage if it is dirty.
Dave
I tried the new CRC MAF cleaner and cleaned my volvo and vettte mafs. The vette's is only 4 yrs old and wasn't too bad, but the volvo's was terrible (130,000 miles). It looked clean so I didn't think it would help, but when I sprayed it off over a clean rag much black came off. I don't know if it helped, but I'm sure it must have. I have been getting better mileage lately, so maybe that is why. Maybe it is from not driving around at full boost (turbo) all the time too. It says on the can that cleaning your maf adds horspower and mileage if it is dirty.
Dave
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From: Wadsworth OH
For those that don't know the K&N filter does not add any HP over paper, I subscribe to vette mag. and they dyno tested I think a 92 with and without an K&N and was no difference in numbers. They sugested to just replace your paper filter more offten instead of letting the K&N get dirty and cleaning it. Of corse this issue came out right after I bought an K&N filter but you'll have that. but yes anyway if your filter is dirty it help a lot to clean it to get some air in.
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Melting Slicks
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Originally Posted by black85
Also, clean your MAF. Sometimes K&N oil cooks all over the wire. Do not overoil your filter. I posted this in another thread, but thought it was interesting enough to repeat. Sorry if you read it already.
I tried the new CRC MAF cleaner and cleaned my volvo and vettte mafs. The vette's is only 4 yrs old and wasn't too bad, but the volvo's was terrible (130,000 miles). It looked clean so I didn't think it would help, but when I sprayed it off over a clean rag much black came off. I don't know if it helped, but I'm sure it must have. I have been getting better mileage lately, so maybe that is why. Maybe it is from not driving around at full boost (turbo) all the time too. It says on the can that cleaning your maf adds horspower and mileage if it is dirty.
Dave
I tried the new CRC MAF cleaner and cleaned my volvo and vettte mafs. The vette's is only 4 yrs old and wasn't too bad, but the volvo's was terrible (130,000 miles). It looked clean so I didn't think it would help, but when I sprayed it off over a clean rag much black came off. I don't know if it helped, but I'm sure it must have. I have been getting better mileage lately, so maybe that is why. Maybe it is from not driving around at full boost (turbo) all the time too. It says on the can that cleaning your maf adds horspower and mileage if it is dirty.
Dave
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Melting Slicks
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From: Toronto ONTARIO
Originally Posted by GR879SHARK
For those that don't know the K&N filter does not add any HP over paper, I subscribe to vette mag. and they dyno tested I think a 92 with and without an K&N and was no difference in numbers. They sugested to just replace your paper filter more offten instead of letting the K&N get dirty and cleaning it. Of corse this issue came out right after I bought an K&N filter but you'll have that. but yes anyway if your filter is dirty it help a lot to clean it to get some air in.
theres a million other mags than a vette mag. Formula 1 and every form of racing uses a low restriction filter. A K&N does work. The surface area of a stock c4 filter may be large enough for a low revving L98, but there is restriction on a Lt1/4/5 and LSx + motors.
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Melting Slicks
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Originally Posted by DieL
theres a million other mags than a vette mag. Formula 1 and every form of racing uses a low restriction filter. A K&N does work. The surface area of a stock c4 filter may be large enough for a low revving L98, but there is restriction on a Lt1/4/5 and LSx + motors.
Especially modified engines. More mods = need more air
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For all you KN guys - there was a big test of several air filter aftermarket systems - KN came in at or near the bottom! - Sorry guys - it doesn't add what they claim - no where near it! It was discussed here a few years ago - including a link to the test and result numbersd - don't know if it can still be found by tyhe search function!
So how can they claim the increased HP?
Heres their little secret! KN builds a very hot motor - tuned for their specific airfilter - they get their dyno numbers - then put on a stock filter - and of course that chokes the motor - So they can claim the difference as increased HP. But unless you haver several thousands in your motor - it will not get the advertised gains!
I guess I'll go put on my nomex to deal with all the guys here who have bought into the KN marketing hype!
Carl "Ran laps in a go cart - tied to Jerry Nadeau today!" Johansson
So how can they claim the increased HP?
Heres their little secret! KN builds a very hot motor - tuned for their specific airfilter - they get their dyno numbers - then put on a stock filter - and of course that chokes the motor - So they can claim the difference as increased HP. But unless you haver several thousands in your motor - it will not get the advertised gains!
I guess I'll go put on my nomex to deal with all the guys here who have bought into the KN marketing hype!
Carl "Ran laps in a go cart - tied to Jerry Nadeau today!" Johansson
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Melting Slicks
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Originally Posted by Carl Johansson
For all you KN guys - there was a big test of several air filter aftermarket systems - KN came in at or near the bottom! - Sorry guys - it doesn't add what they claim - no where near it! It was discussed here a few years ago - including a link to the test and result numbersd - don't know if it can still be found by tyhe search function!
So how can they claim the increased HP?
Heres their little secret! KN builds a very hot motor - tuned for their specific airfilter - they get their dyno numbers - then put on a stock filter - and of course that chokes the motor - So they can claim the difference as increased HP. But unless you haver several thousands in your motor - it will not get the advertised gains!
I guess I'll go put on my nomex to deal with all the guys here who have bought into the KN marketing hype!
Carl "Ran laps in a go cart - tied to Jerry Nadeau today!" Johansson
So how can they claim the increased HP?
Heres their little secret! KN builds a very hot motor - tuned for their specific airfilter - they get their dyno numbers - then put on a stock filter - and of course that chokes the motor - So they can claim the difference as increased HP. But unless you haver several thousands in your motor - it will not get the advertised gains!
I guess I'll go put on my nomex to deal with all the guys here who have bought into the KN marketing hype!
Carl "Ran laps in a go cart - tied to Jerry Nadeau today!" Johansson
I didnt start this thread to have a K&N Pissing match. All I wanted to do is remind people to clean their filters if they haven't- thats all
And yes, I have several thousand in my motor and have gotten very good gains from a K&N.
And as stated in my thread title, my filter was so dirty it probably cost me 15+HP (the whole engine was choking). How's that hype???
Last edited by Darkgh0st; Nov 10, 2006 at 04:37 PM.
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From: SCMR Rat Pack'r Charter Member..Great Bend KS
Originally Posted by Darkgh0st
my filter was so dirty it probably cost me 15+HP (the whole engine was choking). How's that hype???
You're now saying that this "15hp" was nothing more than a number you picked out of the air?
Sounds a lot like the ads for K&N......
Originally Posted by Carl Johansson
So how can they claim the increased HP?
Heres their little secret! KN builds a very hot motor - tuned for their specific airfilter - they get their dyno numbers - then put on a stock filter - and of course that chokes the motor - So they can claim the difference as increased HP. But unless you haver several thousands in your motor - it will not get the advertised gains!
Heres their little secret! KN builds a very hot motor - tuned for their specific airfilter - they get their dyno numbers - then put on a stock filter - and of course that chokes the motor - So they can claim the difference as increased HP. But unless you haver several thousands in your motor - it will not get the advertised gains!
They would get the same results using a fresh, stock paper element.
Read K&N's ads carefully and tell me I'm wrong.
Larry
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Last edited by rocco16; Nov 10, 2006 at 05:14 PM.
Drifting
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Originally Posted by DieL
and everyone here has a non-hot motor right ? 
I would love to know all the stuff they put in their motors - don't know how to get that info - but I'm guessing it's a few steps up from what most members are building - think 20 - 50 K for a motor! and they don't care if they blow up - they only have to run for 3 minutes 2 times right?
Carl Johansson
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Originally Posted by Darkgh0st
I didnt start this thread to have a K&N Pissing match. All I wanted to do is remind people to clean their filters if they haven't- thats all
And yes, I have several thousand in my motor and have gotten very good gains from a K&N.
And as stated in my thread title, my filter was so dirty it probably cost me 15+HP (the whole engine was choking). How's that hype???
And yes, I have several thousand in my motor and have gotten very good gains from a K&N.
And as stated in my thread title, my filter was so dirty it probably cost me 15+HP (the whole engine was choking). How's that hype???
KN has put themselves in to an enviable market position where anyone looking for more performance immediately thinks KN. I was just making sure that everyone here understands how KN run their tests to maximize their claims - nothing wrong with that - as long as you understand where and how those numbers came about!
Carl " see- I told you I was gunna get flamed by a bunch of KN apologists!" Johansson
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Melting Slicks
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Originally Posted by Carl Johansson
KN has put themselves in to an enviable market position where anyone looking for more performance immediately thinks KN. I was just making sure that everyone here understands how KN run their tests to maximize their claims - nothing wrong with that - as long as you understand where and how those numbers came about!
Burning Brakes
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From: Baltimore MD
Originally Posted by Aardwolf
I for one don't care if it doesn't add HP. I use one, and clean it, because it saves cash.
I work in a steel mill, so dust is an everyday hazard of driving to work for me, whether it be in my pickup truck, my Vette, or my SUV...for that reason alone, it's worth it to me that all have cleanable K&N's.
Melting Slicks
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From: Chicago Illinois
How are you suppost to clean these things? I have the open lid one. I have the oil spray but never actually cleaned it. I look at it. it looks O.K , I leave it alone. Its been two yrs now and 10,000 miles.