c4 engine / transplant, how easy?
Drifting
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From: New York
Honesty is one thing, adding a little tact is also nice. I mean, I would like to think everyone on here is part of the Human Race, but honestly, sometimes I wonder?
Last edited by LS6 Motor; Nov 11, 2006 at 12:18 AM.
Le Mans Master
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From: Kempner Texas
Originally Posted by KODAVETTE
Good thing it was just spark plugs........j/k 
Besides, "who really cares" LOL. On the up-side; I did learn a lot as I travelled that road. So now guys PM me (thinking I'm a guru) - If they only knew. LOL, LOL
I do the best I can though.
Jake
Pro
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From: Pittsburgh PA
Originally Posted by KODAVETTE
Honesty is one thing, adding a little tact is also nice. I mean, I would like to think everyone on here is part of the Human Race, but honestly, sometimes I wonder?
Some times we don't remember what it was like to be young with lots of questions and energy. Thanks for saying what I was feeling. I could not agree with you more.
Drifting
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From: New York
Originally Posted by JAKE
Hey, not just plugs either. I've got a laundry list of foul-ups, but sharing them all would eat up too much space.
Besides, "who really cares" LOL. On the up-side; I did learn a lot as I travelled that road. So now guys PM me (thinking I'm a guru) - If they only knew. LOL, LOL
I do the best I can though.
Jake
Besides, "who really cares" LOL. On the up-side; I did learn a lot as I travelled that road. So now guys PM me (thinking I'm a guru) - If they only knew. LOL, LOL
I do the best I can though.
Jake
It looks like I might have to break out the masking tape, and the spray bombs.......
Drifting
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From: New York
Originally Posted by KeyWestJack
Some times we don't remember what it was like to be young with lots of questions and energy. Thanks for saying what I was feeling. I could not agree with you more.
Melting Slicks
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From: Mount Vernon OH
Meet Your Goal of 7 Seconds in the 1/8th
If your goal is to go 7's in the 1/8th you can do it with some planning, some money and a little help from some forum members. There are lots of ways to meet your goal. What is your budget and how much cutting are you willing to do to your car? Bigger cubic inches, sticky tires, improved eshaust and airflow don't hurt either. You can get a fairly stock car into the 7's with some weight reduction, sticky tires and a moderately sized progressive nitrous system. How about some weight reduction? There are many Forum Members who would be happy to help you.
NitrousSam
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Heel & Toe
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From: Southwest Virginia
thanks fellas. for CFI, thanks for the really helpful post you azz clown. 
i've been around the block a time or two, but not with corvettes and am not yet dead set on the corvette platform... i have no desire to spend the amount of money on an L98 to make it run what i want it to, i'll be better off with a different engine altogether. i don't think EFI makes for a very consistent platform anyway for bracket racing. I really don't want much to do with the LT1 engine either, been there done that, replaced 3 optisparks and 4 waterpumps in 80k miles. love it's low end torque though. would like for my build up to stay within 12-15k. i'll keep searching around for answers to all these questions. looks like a great site. my "expertise" lies in F-bodys and Ford Lightnings so again I will have to soak up all this archived knowledge.
i've been around the block a time or two, but not with corvettes and am not yet dead set on the corvette platform... i have no desire to spend the amount of money on an L98 to make it run what i want it to, i'll be better off with a different engine altogether. i don't think EFI makes for a very consistent platform anyway for bracket racing. I really don't want much to do with the LT1 engine either, been there done that, replaced 3 optisparks and 4 waterpumps in 80k miles. love it's low end torque though. would like for my build up to stay within 12-15k. i'll keep searching around for answers to all these questions. looks like a great site. my "expertise" lies in F-bodys and Ford Lightnings so again I will have to soak up all this archived knowledge.
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Originally Posted by slick_sammy
thanks fellas. for CFI, thanks for the really helpful post you azz clown. i've been around the block a time or two, but not with corvettes and am not yet dead set on the corvette platform... i have no desire to spend the amount of money on an L98 to make it run what i want it to, i'll be better off with a different engine altogether. i don't think EFI makes for a very consistent platform anyway for bracket racing. I really don't want much to do with the LT1 engine either, been there done that, replaced 3 optisparks and 4 waterpumps in 80k miles. love it's low end torque though. would like for my build up to stay within 12-15k. i'll keep searching around for answers to all these questions. looks like a great site. my "expertise" lies in F-bodys and Ford Lightnings so again I will have to soak up all this archived knowledge.
i've been around the block a time or two, but not with corvettes and am not yet dead set on the corvette platform... i have no desire to spend the amount of money on an L98 to make it run what i want it to, i'll be better off with a different engine altogether. i don't think EFI makes for a very consistent platform anyway for bracket racing. I really don't want much to do with the LT1 engine either, been there done that, replaced 3 optisparks and 4 waterpumps in 80k miles. love it's low end torque though. would like for my build up to stay within 12-15k. i'll keep searching around for answers to all these questions. looks like a great site. my "expertise" lies in F-bodys and Ford Lightnings so again I will have to soak up all this archived knowledge.Efi is not too bad for consistancy. I finished #2 in points @ Numidia Raceway in 94, and won the championship in 1995. My buddys car(tpi camaro that I tuned) took the champoinship in 1996. Both cars ran a stock type tpi set up and et's were between 12.70 and 13.20 in the 1/4. Either way you go, you can do it.
Le Mans Master
Joined: Feb 2000
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From: Kempner Texas
Originally Posted by KODAVETTE
Hey Jake, forgot to tell you, those stripes look great on your car. I printed out a couple pictures of your car, and showed them to the guy that painted my car this morning, his response, "Don't even think about it!!"
It looks like I might have to break out the masking tape, and the spray bombs.......
It looks like I might have to break out the masking tape, and the spray bombs.......
Got some shots of my son's 96 Black LT1 done in a very similar fashion if you'd like to see them, let me know. I posted them in "My Corvette Photos" but it will take time for them to show up. If you want to see them right away, email me - jcameron266@sbcglobal.net - and I'll send them.
Jake
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Cruising
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From: Woodstock GA
The zz4 is a GREAT swap but it is a small block. The zz4 comes from GM as carb'd, but I have it matched to the CFI induction - and it runs much better thanks to CFI-EFI. It fits on spec, but a question: why use a th350 over the 700r4 and a high stall converter with taller rear end? Seems like there's your quarter???
Le Mans Master
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From: Manassas VA
IMO, and experience, the main thing to change will be dump the rear and go 12 bolt or 9 in. Neverlift makes a kit to do this. I personally have not had a problem with the transmission but many have and the 350 is supposed to be stronger. If you are looking for low 7's I believe you could just run a cammed up 350, ported heads etc. With my engine combo (and its a mild one for drag racing) I have run a best of 7.53 at about 93 mph. With a 12 bolt and 4.88 gears even my combo would be close to low 7's I believe.
Back to the rear end, If you purchase an automatic vette, it will have a dana 36 rear end. A lot of us have upgraded to the dana44 which came in the 85-96 stick shift cars. The 44 conversion seems to be selling for about $1500-$2,000. So far, I am on my 3rd 44. Believe me a combo, of many runs, slicks, and even modest power, will break these. For drag racing its always going to be your weak link, weither its the actual carrier, or half shafts etc. something will keep your butt puckered hopeing nothing breaks on a launch.
By the way, I really hate to see post get started like this one did. Its people like those that give merit to jokes such as whats the difference between a porcipine and a corvette?
Back to the rear end, If you purchase an automatic vette, it will have a dana 36 rear end. A lot of us have upgraded to the dana44 which came in the 85-96 stick shift cars. The 44 conversion seems to be selling for about $1500-$2,000. So far, I am on my 3rd 44. Believe me a combo, of many runs, slicks, and even modest power, will break these. For drag racing its always going to be your weak link, weither its the actual carrier, or half shafts etc. something will keep your butt puckered hopeing nothing breaks on a launch.
By the way, I really hate to see post get started like this one did. Its people like those that give merit to jokes such as whats the difference between a porcipine and a corvette?
Safety Car
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From: VA
Originally Posted by slick_sammy
guys, looking at getting a C4 with purpose of being a footbrake bracket car that would run mid to low 7s...
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=90
and you can see what kind of mods are required to get there.
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Heel & Toe
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From: Southwest Virginia
yes i have researched enough to know now that the IRS is absolute junk for racing purposes (every week, with slicks). who wants to have an awesome day at the track and break a halfshaft before final round of eliminations! have also determined that a C4 bracket car is likely more "custom" work that I'm willing to delve into. so unless the right rolling chassis comes along a vette won't be in my garage any time soon.
yes my first couple posts were basic questions that yes I could find with many hours of searching, but hoped some guys could help a brother out with some quick info becuase at that time I was trying to decide between several different years and models of vehicles and was looking at several for sell [read: did not have much time to research]. not all of us can set on internet forums 50 hours a week reading post after post. got some good help and other people were just jacka$$es showing their true colors that should hold their thoughts more often than not
!
currently looking at a couple big block chevelles.
yes my first couple posts were basic questions that yes I could find with many hours of searching, but hoped some guys could help a brother out with some quick info becuase at that time I was trying to decide between several different years and models of vehicles and was looking at several for sell [read: did not have much time to research]. not all of us can set on internet forums 50 hours a week reading post after post. got some good help and other people were just jacka$$es showing their true colors that should hold their thoughts more often than not
! currently looking at a couple big block chevelles.
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Heel & Toe
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From: Southwest Virginia
Originally Posted by lite blue
EFI isn't consistent? Do you have ANY experience with it?
Le Mans Master
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From: Santa Maria, CA
Originally Posted by RacerX70CC
CFI gets the quote of the week... "fart in a skillet"
!To the new guy: ah, don't let anyone get under your skin. It's not meant maliciously or anything, just people are too thin skinned in today's "PC" world.
We get lot's of guys asking "what can I do to improve...." questions, and we offer serious, real suggestions, then we find out it is just the guy doing wishful dreaming with no actual money or serious intentions, and we end up bickering amongst ourselves.
Burning Brakes
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From: Redding Ca
I think you are headed in the same $$ direction whether C4 or some other platform. A deep 11-sec (1/4 mi) door-car in the neighborhood of 3000+ lbs will break most rear -ends and transmissions whether older muscle cars like Chevelles/Cameros, etc., until you pay to put in stronger components. So I would just pick the chassis that appeals to you and go for it. Corvettes have the benefit of relatively light weight, chassis strength (full chassis)and weight distribution
Food for thought: for $15,000 or less, you can buy a complete used dragster that will run 8's all day and are much more consistent than any door car. Dual purpose cars (street and strip) are usually a dissappointment on both counts.
Food for thought: for $15,000 or less, you can buy a complete used dragster that will run 8's all day and are much more consistent than any door car. Dual purpose cars (street and strip) are usually a dissappointment on both counts.
Melting Slicks
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From: Cape Coral FL
Originally Posted by 89 Paul in Cal
The "hydrogen" in the tires has me !
To the new guy: ah, don't let anyone get under your skin. It's not meant maliciously or anything, just people are too thin skinned in today's "PC" world.
We get lot's of guys asking "what can I do to improve...." questions, and we offer serious, real suggestions, then we find out it is just the guy doing wishful dreaming with no actual money or serious intentions, and we end up bickering amongst ourselves.
!To the new guy: ah, don't let anyone get under your skin. It's not meant maliciously or anything, just people are too thin skinned in today's "PC" world.
We get lot's of guys asking "what can I do to improve...." questions, and we offer serious, real suggestions, then we find out it is just the guy doing wishful dreaming with no actual money or serious intentions, and we end up bickering amongst ourselves.
