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Old Feb 11, 2007 | 08:42 PM
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I purchased my 92 in May 2006 and it ran fine for 800 miles and just before it's ready to be stored for the winter all of a sudden I get a miss, belch and backfire. Took it to a dealership and according to them it needed plugs, wires, EGR and an engine computer. Carry on I say! About $1600 later I get the same miss (and not blonde), belch and backfire. Away she goes for a 35 mile trip on a flatdeck to a specialist. Turns out to be a distributor cap. I get the the complete distributor replaced (just in case) and water pump (the pumps off anyway) for another $1400. Lesson: If I would have been a member of this forum I probably would have saved a couple grand. Next time I'll be able to ask you C4 folks with experience. By the way, I'm just starting the battle with the first dealership to get the parts I did not need at cost.

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Old Feb 11, 2007 | 08:50 PM
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They do not call them stealerships for nothing, good luck on getting some money back and welcome to the forum a bunch of good advice is here.
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Old Feb 11, 2007 | 08:52 PM
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welcome aboard!

whew... the opti is the #1 cause of misses... and repair centers see nothing but $$$ when they diagnose one.

I hope the car runs great come April.
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Old Feb 11, 2007 | 08:57 PM
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Old Feb 11, 2007 | 09:53 PM
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I have found much good advice here
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Old Feb 11, 2007 | 10:59 PM
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If there are any more trips to the dealer, kindly ask what happens if you spend the $XXXX and the problem is still there?
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Old Feb 11, 2007 | 11:24 PM
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Owning an early C4 is an expensive hobby if you have someone do the work for you. You can buy a service manual and a few tools and fix the car yourself. It is a lot more fun to do your own work and you will learn new things and meet new friends
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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 12:17 AM
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Dealerships are only good for warranty work I have learned. Anything else, I do it myself or have a reputable source do it.
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Welcome to the Forum. Get yourself a "Factory Service Manual". It will help you find and fix problems. It can be purchased either on eBay or at their web site. www.helminc.com They are year specific.

All easy jobs take at least a half hour. More difficult jobs take longer but you'll have a great sense of accomplishment.
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Originally Posted by jstrutt
By the way, I'm just starting the battle with the first dealership to get the parts I did not need at cost.

Save the Wave,
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ALL automotive service centers have some type of warranty for service.
DEALERSHIPS also have a CUSTOMER SERVICE INDEX which they are required by the manufacturer to keep at a certain "grade".
I would think if you push the right buttons, talk to the right people, you will probably get a 100% refund.
And welcome to the CF
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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 08:56 AM
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Welcome aboard
I would fight those SOB'S to the end.
Stick around here and you will never need the stealership again.
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welcome aboard. This is an absolutely great place to learn how to repair and protect your car, from minor to major.
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Originally Posted by bogus
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whew... the opti is the #1 cause of misses... and repair centers see nothing but $$$ when they diagnose one.

I hope the car runs great come April.
Especially 92-94.
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With all the guys above. Avoid Dealerships like the Plague, and as I like to say, welcome to one of the more interesting places in Cyberspace!
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Welcome to the best place to learn about your car.
We need pictures!
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I have yet to encounter a problem with my C4 that:

Has not been identified, photographed, fixed, and documented by a member already.
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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by jstrutt
By the way, I'm just starting the battle with the first dealership to get the parts I did not need at cost.

Save the Wave,
John
Why would you want to invest dealer cost in parts that you didn't need? Are you planning to open your own stealership? If you are kind, you can allow then to retrieve the unneeded parts for no charge (to them), while they refund for the unneeded parts and for the unneeded labor to install them. This might be a good time to look up the States Attorney in your state and the local B.B.B. And don't forget Chevrolet, themselves. Find the zone office. Even if you never call anyone, it wouldn't hurt if they are aware that YOU are aware of your options.
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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by jstrutt
I purchased my 92 in May 2006 and it ran fine for 800 miles and just before it's ready to be stored for the winter all of a sudden I get a miss, belch and backfire. Took it to a dealership and according to them it needed plugs, wires, EGR and an engine computer. Carry on I say! About $1600 later I get the same miss (and not blonde), belch and backfire. Away she goes for a 35 mile trip on a flatdeck to a specialist. Turns out to be a distributor cap. I get the the complete distributor replaced (just in case) and water pump (the pumps off anyway) for another $1400. Lesson: If I would have been a member of this forum I probably would have saved a couple grand. Next time I'll be able to ask you C4 folks with experience. By the way, I'm just starting the battle with the first dealership to get the parts I did not need at cost.

Save the Wave,
John

Are you talking CAD or USD? Either way those prices are ripoffs, but if they are CAD it's not quite as bad.

In USD the first job is about $500 in parts at full list price plus 2-3 hours labor, so if it's $1600 USD that's 100% markup on top of full list price.

DIY that would have been $300 with the ECM, $150 if you didn't replace the ECM, which I doubt needed to be replaced.

You were smart to replace the whole distributor and water pump, but $1400 USD would still be ridiculous for that. $1400 CAD is a little high but not unheard of. About $500 USD to DIY that with GM parts. Would have been better to upgrade to an aftermarket vented distributor.

Good luck with the dealership.
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Alot of garages specialize in replacing parts. Unless you have purchased a new vehicle from the dealership recently - or better yet several new vehicles - you will get almost nothing back for their misdiagnosis of your problem. It's unfortunate, but until you build a good relationship with a knowledgeable Corvettte mechanic the best advice is to arm yourself with as much information as possible and, as always, caveat emptor.
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Don't feel bad I just learned a expensive lesson myself with my 96.....
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