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Old Mar 31, 2007 | 06:38 PM
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I'm still learning about Vettes. Is a ZF the same thing as a Tremec t56? Is ZF the option code. Thanks.
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Old Mar 31, 2007 | 06:43 PM
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Is a ZF the same thing as a Tremec t56? Is ZF the option code.
NO!
ZF is short for Zahnradfabrik Friedrichshafen

T56 sucks
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Old Mar 31, 2007 | 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by johnnymo63
I'm still learning about Vettes. Is a ZF the same thing as a Tremec t56? Is ZF the option code. Thanks.
Well, ZF is 2/3's of the option code. It's ZF6. You'll find some Vette guys are snooty, you'll get used to it.
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Well, ZF is 2/3's of the option code. It's ZF6. You'll find some Vette guys are snooty, you'll get used to it.
You will also find a lot of erroneous information on the forum. You will get used to it. The tough part, is learning to separate the wheat from the chaff. "ZF" is the abbreviation of the manufacturer of the trans as stated above. "ZF6" is another term used to designate the six speed transmission. As the automatic models 700R4, 4L60, and 4L60E, are all referred to as "A4", the six speed is also known as the "M6". The RPO (Regular Production Option) designation (option code) for the six speed manual transmission, ZF, or M6, used in C4 Corvettes is, ML9, not ZF6.

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Old Mar 31, 2007 | 08:23 PM
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My bad. You'll also find a lot of verbose people on this forum. But you'll get used to it.
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Originally Posted by CFI-EFI
The RPO (Regular Production Option) designation (option code) for the six speed manual transmission, ZF, or M6, used in C4 Corvettes is, ML9, not ZF6.

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MN6 is generally accepted as the 6 speed option code. ML9 was the trans designation.
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Originally Posted by BADDUCK
My bad. You'll also find a lot of verbose people on this forum. But you'll get used to it.
Not to mention poor sport soreheads. But you'll get used to it.

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Originally Posted by SurfnSun
MN6 is generally accepted as the 6 speed option code. ML9 was the trans designation.
I don't know what generals you hang out with, but I don't have an RPO listing that shows ANY "MNx" RPO codes.

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Originally Posted by CFI-EFI
I don't know what generals you hang out with, but I don't have an RPO listing that shows ANY "MNx" RPO codes.

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Well then youre wrong. Its been MN6 since 89. Find a console sticker.

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthread.php?t=956104

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You will also find a lot of erroneous information on the forum. You will get used to it.
poetic.

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I believe MN6 is generic 6-speed(on C5s too), and ML9 is ZF-specific.
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yea, it's one of those dual RPO code deals... they are both correct.

The T56 is made by Tremec. It doesn't suck, it just isn't a nice as the ZF6. It also does not easily fit into a C4.

There are 2 versions of the ZF6. The early "Black Tag" version, 1989 to mid-1993, and the "Blue Tag" version is from mid-1993 to 1996.

The colour literally means the tag is black or blue.

The differences are:

Black tags are made in West Germany by ZF.
Blue tags are made in Alabama, by GM, under license.
Black tags are rated at 450 ft-lbs.
Blue tags are rated at 400 ft-lbs.
Black tags have less angle on the first (and second?) gears.
Blue tags have more angle on the first (and second?) gears. This was done to help quiet the gear noise (whine).

It is generally accepted that the Black tag is better, but for normal street use, the Blue tag is just fine. Besides, a Blue tag can be rebuilt to better than Black tag standards (it just costs a lot!).

For more specifics, check out www.zfdoc.com.

Also, www.c4guru.com - Changing ZF6 Fluid has some details on how to maintain it.
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Originally Posted by SurfnSun
Well then youre wrong. Its been MN6 since 89. Find a console sticker.

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthread.php?t=956104



poetic.
I've seen that link before. Is it poetic or pathetic when bogus becomes your prime authority? Possibly it became MN6 in later years, but here is a page from my 1989 Corvette parts book. As you can see the RPO listing covers the whole GM line.



Also there is this CF page. It shows the six speed RPO listing for all the years it was offered in the C4. Regardless, we agree that it ISN'T ZF6.

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Originally Posted by CFI-EFI
I've seen that link before. Is it poetic or pathetic when bogus becomes your prime authority?
That statement is utterly unnecessary.

However, that link you so eloquently dissed, was composed by me with source data from a number of individuals, plus, confirmation from Mike Antonick.

With that said, I grabbed my 2003 copy of the Corvette Black Book, and from 1989 to 1996, the book lists the option as "MN6, 6-speed Manual Transmission."

I have nothing else to say on this topic.
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Originally Posted by CFI-EFI
I've seen that link before. Is it poetic or pathetic when bogus becomes your prime authority?
Attacking Bogus was just dumb.


The only thats is pathetic is that you can't admit to being wrong. Whats poetic is that you shot your mouth off when you didn't know what you were talking about.

Like I said....go find a console tag of a 6 speed car. You'll see MN6 on there...regardless if you like it or not. I have a pic from a 90 car, I just need to find an 89.

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Originally Posted by racsluos
I believe MN6 is generic 6-speed(on C5s too), and ML9 is ZF-specific.
I just looked at the codes on my 96 LT4 ZF6 Speed and mine has LT4, ML9 then MN6. No ZF codes at all on the list under the door behind the rear seat where the owners manual is.
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Originally Posted by Louis Bartay
I just looked at the codes on my 96 LT4 ZF6 Speed and mine has LT4, ML9 then MN6. No ZF codes at all on the list under the door behind the rear seat where the owners manual is.
So you're agreeing, right? MN6 means "It has a 6speed", and ML9 means "It has a ZF"....
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Originally Posted by racsluos
So you're agreeing, right? MN6 means "It has a 6speed", and ML9 means "It has a ZF"....
C5s still use the MN6 code as well, but they don't have a ZF tranny. no ML9
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Originally Posted by SurfnSun
C5s still use the MN6 code as well, but they don't have a ZF tranny. no ML9
no, the C5 and C6 use the T56, or a variation on the theme.
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Originally Posted by bogus
no, the C5 and C6 use the T56, or a variation on the theme.
We're in agreement. Check my post.
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Originally Posted by SurfnSun
We're in agreement. Check my post.
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