HSR or Miniram??
Race Director
Joined: Feb 1999
Posts: 12,772
Likes: 17
From: Indianapolis IN
Flow through an orfice is different than flow through a length of line.
There is liable to be a pressure drop over a distance and across
cumulative restrictions like fittings/turns.
I imagine that short of logging pressures, it is the kind of thing that
is hard to observe because if/when it happens, attention may well be
on more important aspects.
It is hard to argue with success.
RoT's are just that. Thought I'd mention this one for consideration.
Did you happen to consider trimming the fuel rail to move the fitting
rearward from the throttle linkage?
.
There is liable to be a pressure drop over a distance and across
cumulative restrictions like fittings/turns.
I imagine that short of logging pressures, it is the kind of thing that
is hard to observe because if/when it happens, attention may well be
on more important aspects.
It is hard to argue with success.
RoT's are just that. Thought I'd mention this one for consideration.
Did you happen to consider trimming the fuel rail to move the fitting
rearward from the throttle linkage?
.
But with that said, I ws looking at the clearacne this weekend and I believe that a Throttle Body spacer of 1/2" to 3/4" might eliminate the throttle cable issue on my plenum, I will measure some more and see, I can make an aluminum spacer in 15 minutes on the mill
This weekend I will do some data logs and see if the Fuel pressure return line is an issue, my FP is at 48 PSI no vacuum,, I have the -6AN larger lines that I took off so reversing it is not a big deal.
My "guess" on a cost for a new HSR including an aftermarket plenum, thermo housing, and distributor is @ $950 - $1000 total
Le Mans Master
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 9,036
Likes: 13
From: Edmonton AB
Yes I did consider this, just didn't get around to it, this winter I
might machine the ends of the fuel rails on the mill to shorten them, I
also considered welding an end cap at a 45 dgree angle onto the inlet
side so I could gain more clearance.
But with that said, I was looking at the clearance this weekend and I
believe that a Throttle Body spacer of 1/2" to 3/4" might eliminate the
throttle cable issue on my plenum, I will measure some more and see, I
can make an aluminum spacer in 15 minutes on the mill.
might machine the ends of the fuel rails on the mill to shorten them, I
also considered welding an end cap at a 45 dgree angle onto the inlet
side so I could gain more clearance.
But with that said, I was looking at the clearance this weekend and I
believe that a Throttle Body spacer of 1/2" to 3/4" might eliminate the
throttle cable issue on my plenum, I will measure some more and see, I
can make an aluminum spacer in 15 minutes on the mill.
far enough forward that clearance would not be an issue. I suppose
that positioning the TB lower, relative to the stock plenum is where
the clearance problem returns.
then I think you are short-changing yourself in pricing copies for others.
That is a nice piece.
Sticking with the standard plenum and adding a hood scoop or switching
to a Toledo Pro hood adds another layer of cost that simply isn't a
factor with the TPiS MiniRam.
A partial list of some numbers I organized for a friend.
1 pc - 7540 $309.95 Holley Intake Manifold
1 pc - 534-186 $225.95 Fuel Rail, Aluminum, Clear Anodized, Universal, with Adjustable Regulator
1 pc - $25.00 TPiS Thermostat housing for MiniRam (works with OEM 1-1/4" upper rad hose.)
1 pc - 1205 $14.95 Felpro 1205
1 pc - 9894DBHERL $9.39 Earls Fitting, Power Fuel Injection Adapter, -6 AN Hose End to 14mm x 1.5 Female
1 pc - 9894DBJERL $9.39 Earls Fitting, Power Fuel Injection Adapter, -6 AN Hose End to 16mm x 1.5 Female
1 pc - 829006ERL $24.25 Earls Fitting, Hose End, Swivel Seal, 90 Degree, -6 AN Hose to Male 1/ 4 in. NPT (AFPR - Return line)
3 pc - 220690 $4.88 Summit Fitting, Hose End, Straight, -6 AN Hose to Female -6 AN, Aluminum, Red/Blue
(** - or > 800106ERL Earl's $6.25)
1 pc - 230610 $36.95 Summit Braided Stainless Steel, -6 AN, 10 ft. Length
2 pc - GAR-J9027 $3.99 Gardner-Westcott Hose Fitting, Straight, Brass, Chrome, 1/ 4 in. Hose Barb, 1/ 8 in. NPT
1 pc - SUM-G3116 $6.95 Summit Fitting, Straight, 3/8 in. Hose Barb to 3/8 in. Male NPT, Steel, Chrome, Set of 3
1 pc - PRM-15173 $13.99 Perma-Cool Fittings, 90 Degree, 3/ 8 in. Hose Barb to 3/ 8 in. Male NPT, Brass, Pair
(** - or > 1 pc - SPE-5946 $10.69, Spectre Industries Fittings, Fuel Fitting 90 Degree (Chrome) 3/8" NPT to 3/8" Barb )
1 pc - SUM-230163 $2.69 Summit Vacuum Hose, Hose, Vacuum, Rubber, Black, 1/4 in. Diameter, 4 ft. Length, Each
1 pc - (N/L at Summit) Vacuum Hose, Hose, Vacuum, Rubber, Black, 3/8 in. Diameter, 4 ft. Length, Each
1 pc - SUM-G1390 $6.95 Summit Vacuum Line Cap Kits. Assmnt of 20 pc
1 pc - $80 - Good Used F-Body Small Cap Distributor
1 pc - ACDELCO #PT166 $13.09 Ignition Coil-Ign Connector, Grey Plug (GM #12101896, Standard Motor Prod #S562 )
1 pc - ACDELCO #10456413 $27.46 GEAR,DISTR SHF HARDENED GEAR FOR STEEL CAM SHAFT
1 pc - ACDELCO #D503A $45.79 Ignition Coil (GM #12498334)
1 pc - ACDelco #10046033 $??? Coil-to-manifold bracket (discontinued)
(** - or > 1 pc - ACDelco #1987910 $10.33 Ignition Coil Wall Mounting Bracket
1 pc - ACDELCO #D447 $4.10 Distributor Rotor (GM #10496798)
1 pc - ACDELCO #D303A $22.79 Distributor Cap (GM #10477841)
1 pc - ACDELCO #316B $10.96 IGN COIL WIRE COIL-to-DIST-W/NIPPLE ENDS 12 INCH LONG (GM #12036972)
(** - or > 1 pc - ACDELCO #328N $12.74 IGN COIL WIRE COIL-to-DIST-W/NIPPLE ENDS 8 INCH LONG (GM #12073984)
1 pc - $30-90 Plug wire set
1 pc - $240 24#(@ 40 psi) Ford Motor Sports Blue Top injectors (unmatched)
Optional
1 pc - $345 52mm Holley Throttle Body
.
1 pc - 534-186 $225.95 Fuel Rail, Aluminum, Clear Anodized, Universal, with Adjustable Regulator
1 pc - $25.00 TPiS Thermostat housing for MiniRam (works with OEM 1-1/4" upper rad hose.)
1 pc - 1205 $14.95 Felpro 1205
1 pc - 9894DBHERL $9.39 Earls Fitting, Power Fuel Injection Adapter, -6 AN Hose End to 14mm x 1.5 Female
1 pc - 9894DBJERL $9.39 Earls Fitting, Power Fuel Injection Adapter, -6 AN Hose End to 16mm x 1.5 Female
1 pc - 829006ERL $24.25 Earls Fitting, Hose End, Swivel Seal, 90 Degree, -6 AN Hose to Male 1/ 4 in. NPT (AFPR - Return line)
3 pc - 220690 $4.88 Summit Fitting, Hose End, Straight, -6 AN Hose to Female -6 AN, Aluminum, Red/Blue
(** - or > 800106ERL Earl's $6.25)
1 pc - 230610 $36.95 Summit Braided Stainless Steel, -6 AN, 10 ft. Length
2 pc - GAR-J9027 $3.99 Gardner-Westcott Hose Fitting, Straight, Brass, Chrome, 1/ 4 in. Hose Barb, 1/ 8 in. NPT
1 pc - SUM-G3116 $6.95 Summit Fitting, Straight, 3/8 in. Hose Barb to 3/8 in. Male NPT, Steel, Chrome, Set of 3
1 pc - PRM-15173 $13.99 Perma-Cool Fittings, 90 Degree, 3/ 8 in. Hose Barb to 3/ 8 in. Male NPT, Brass, Pair
(** - or > 1 pc - SPE-5946 $10.69, Spectre Industries Fittings, Fuel Fitting 90 Degree (Chrome) 3/8" NPT to 3/8" Barb )
1 pc - SUM-230163 $2.69 Summit Vacuum Hose, Hose, Vacuum, Rubber, Black, 1/4 in. Diameter, 4 ft. Length, Each
1 pc - (N/L at Summit) Vacuum Hose, Hose, Vacuum, Rubber, Black, 3/8 in. Diameter, 4 ft. Length, Each
1 pc - SUM-G1390 $6.95 Summit Vacuum Line Cap Kits. Assmnt of 20 pc
1 pc - $80 - Good Used F-Body Small Cap Distributor
1 pc - ACDELCO #PT166 $13.09 Ignition Coil-Ign Connector, Grey Plug (GM #12101896, Standard Motor Prod #S562 )
1 pc - ACDELCO #10456413 $27.46 GEAR,DISTR SHF HARDENED GEAR FOR STEEL CAM SHAFT
1 pc - ACDELCO #D503A $45.79 Ignition Coil (GM #12498334)
1 pc - ACDelco #10046033 $??? Coil-to-manifold bracket (discontinued)
(** - or > 1 pc - ACDelco #1987910 $10.33 Ignition Coil Wall Mounting Bracket
1 pc - ACDELCO #D447 $4.10 Distributor Rotor (GM #10496798)
1 pc - ACDELCO #D303A $22.79 Distributor Cap (GM #10477841)
1 pc - ACDELCO #316B $10.96 IGN COIL WIRE COIL-to-DIST-W/NIPPLE ENDS 12 INCH LONG (GM #12036972)
(** - or > 1 pc - ACDELCO #328N $12.74 IGN COIL WIRE COIL-to-DIST-W/NIPPLE ENDS 8 INCH LONG (GM #12073984)
1 pc - $30-90 Plug wire set
1 pc - $240 24#(@ 40 psi) Ford Motor Sports Blue Top injectors (unmatched)
Optional
1 pc - $345 52mm Holley Throttle Body
Race Director
Joined: Feb 1999
Posts: 12,772
Likes: 17
From: Indianapolis IN
[QUOTE=Slalom4me;1560642875]I had thought that the TB portion of the LD85 plenum moved the TB
far enough forward that clearance would not be an issue. I suppose
that positioning the TB lower, relative to the stock plenum is where
the clearance problem returns
. Actually the cable is outside of the fitting and does not touch it they way it is, but it could be better, I'm always looking at ways toimprove an item
If you are talking about a modified plenum of the quality you made for your car,
then I think you are short-changing yourself in pricing copies for others.
That is a nice piece.
Really, I was using the $300 price from Frank @ fuelinjectorclinic, if that's what he still charges(?)
Sticking with the standard plenum and adding a hood scoop or switching
to a Toledo Pro hood adds another layer of cost that simply isn't a
factor with the TPiS MiniRam.
[QUOTE]
MorpheusGPR, I know that it took me a solid 40 hours to do it the way I did it, "IF" I did it again, I would strongly consider just adding a thin wall aluminum to the front with a 3/4" block welded to the front.
Did you consdier what JOBY did?
This winter I am going to look into chrome plating mine, IF someone local is willing to do it
far enough forward that clearance would not be an issue. I suppose
that positioning the TB lower, relative to the stock plenum is where
the clearance problem returns
. Actually the cable is outside of the fitting and does not touch it they way it is, but it could be better, I'm always looking at ways toimprove an item
If you are talking about a modified plenum of the quality you made for your car,
then I think you are short-changing yourself in pricing copies for others.
That is a nice piece.
Really, I was using the $300 price from Frank @ fuelinjectorclinic, if that's what he still charges(?)
Sticking with the standard plenum and adding a hood scoop or switching
to a Toledo Pro hood adds another layer of cost that simply isn't a
factor with the TPiS MiniRam.
[QUOTE]
MorpheusGPR, I know that it took me a solid 40 hours to do it the way I did it, "IF" I did it again, I would strongly consider just adding a thin wall aluminum to the front with a 3/4" block welded to the front.
Did you consdier what JOBY did?
This winter I am going to look into chrome plating mine, IF someone local is willing to do it
Le Mans Master
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 7,033
Likes: 12
Sarcastic sniping? There are just too many douche bags on here that have never run a car with a Mini and become instant experts due to what they read.
Mr Mojo's LT1 car beats L98 people in the 60', 330', and 1/8 mile yet the brain dead idiots cannot read that and keep perpetuating the NO TORQUE brain drain. For sake of keeping the idiots happy a LT1 intake is the same as a Mini.
If he's running a stick keep it in a lower gear and if he's running an auto buy a good torque converter, coming out of the corners a Mini would be OK and over 4500 it will walk a LTR intake.
But then again WTF do I know I've only run both intakes. You internet people have the answers due to what you've read on here.
Mr Mojo's LT1 car beats L98 people in the 60', 330', and 1/8 mile yet the brain dead idiots cannot read that and keep perpetuating the NO TORQUE brain drain. For sake of keeping the idiots happy a LT1 intake is the same as a Mini.
If he's running a stick keep it in a lower gear and if he's running an auto buy a good torque converter, coming out of the corners a Mini would be OK and over 4500 it will walk a LTR intake.
But then again WTF do I know I've only run both intakes. You internet people have the answers due to what you've read on here.
Drifting
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,291
Likes: 33
From: Chicago IL
I had thought that the TB portion of the LD85 plenum moved the TB
far enough forward that clearance would not be an issue. I suppose
that positioning the TB lower, relative to the stock plenum is where
the clearance problem returns.
If you are talking about a modified plenum of the quality you made for your car,
then I think you are short-changing yourself in pricing copies for others.
That is a nice piece.
Sticking with the standard plenum and adding a hood scoop or switching
to a Toledo Pro hood adds another layer of cost that simply isn't a
factor with the TPiS MiniRam.
A partial list of some numbers I organized for a friend.
far enough forward that clearance would not be an issue. I suppose
that positioning the TB lower, relative to the stock plenum is where
the clearance problem returns.
If you are talking about a modified plenum of the quality you made for your car,
then I think you are short-changing yourself in pricing copies for others.
That is a nice piece.
Sticking with the standard plenum and adding a hood scoop or switching
to a Toledo Pro hood adds another layer of cost that simply isn't a
factor with the TPiS MiniRam.
A partial list of some numbers I organized for a friend.
1 pc - 7540 $309.95 Holley Intake Manifold
1 pc - 534-186 $225.95 Fuel Rail, Aluminum, Clear Anodized, Universal, with Adjustable Regulator
1 pc - $25.00 TPiS Thermostat housing for MiniRam (works with OEM 1-1/4" upper rad hose.)
1 pc - 1205 $14.95 Felpro 1205
1 pc - 9894DBHERL $9.39 Earls Fitting, Power Fuel Injection Adapter, -6 AN Hose End to 14mm x 1.5 Female
1 pc - 9894DBJERL $9.39 Earls Fitting, Power Fuel Injection Adapter, -6 AN Hose End to 16mm x 1.5 Female
1 pc - 829006ERL $24.25 Earls Fitting, Hose End, Swivel Seal, 90 Degree, -6 AN Hose to Male 1/ 4 in. NPT (AFPR - Return line)
3 pc - 220690 $4.88 Summit Fitting, Hose End, Straight, -6 AN Hose to Female -6 AN, Aluminum, Red/Blue
(** - or > 800106ERL Earl's $6.25)
1 pc - 230610 $36.95 Summit Braided Stainless Steel, -6 AN, 10 ft. Length
2 pc - GAR-J9027 $3.99 Gardner-Westcott Hose Fitting, Straight, Brass, Chrome, 1/ 4 in. Hose Barb, 1/ 8 in. NPT
1 pc - SUM-G3116 $6.95 Summit Fitting, Straight, 3/8 in. Hose Barb to 3/8 in. Male NPT, Steel, Chrome, Set of 3
1 pc - PRM-15173 $13.99 Perma-Cool Fittings, 90 Degree, 3/ 8 in. Hose Barb to 3/ 8 in. Male NPT, Brass, Pair
(** - or > 1 pc - SPE-5946 $10.69, Spectre Industries Fittings, Fuel Fitting 90 Degree (Chrome) 3/8" NPT to 3/8" Barb )
1 pc - SUM-230163 $2.69 Summit Vacuum Hose, Hose, Vacuum, Rubber, Black, 1/4 in. Diameter, 4 ft. Length, Each
1 pc - (N/L at Summit) Vacuum Hose, Hose, Vacuum, Rubber, Black, 3/8 in. Diameter, 4 ft. Length, Each
1 pc - SUM-G1390 $6.95 Summit Vacuum Line Cap Kits. Assmnt of 20 pc
1 pc - $80 - Good Used F-Body Small Cap Distributor
1 pc - ACDELCO #PT166 $13.09 Ignition Coil-Ign Connector, Grey Plug (GM #12101896, Standard Motor Prod #S562 )
1 pc - ACDELCO #10456413 $27.46 GEAR,DISTR SHF HARDENED GEAR FOR STEEL CAM SHAFT
1 pc - ACDELCO #D503A $45.79 Ignition Coil (GM #12498334)
1 pc - ACDelco #10046033 $??? Coil-to-manifold bracket (discontinued)
(** - or > 1 pc - ACDelco #1987910 $10.33 Ignition Coil Wall Mounting Bracket
1 pc - ACDELCO #D447 $4.10 Distributor Rotor (GM #10496798)
1 pc - ACDELCO #D303A $22.79 Distributor Cap (GM #10477841)
1 pc - ACDELCO #316B $10.96 IGN COIL WIRE COIL-to-DIST-W/NIPPLE ENDS 12 INCH LONG (GM #12036972)
(** - or > 1 pc - ACDELCO #328N $12.74 IGN COIL WIRE COIL-to-DIST-W/NIPPLE ENDS 8 INCH LONG (GM #12073984)
1 pc - $30-90 Plug wire set
1 pc - $240 24#(@ 40 psi) Ford Motor Sports Blue Top injectors (unmatched)
Optional
1 pc - $345 52mm Holley Throttle Body
.1 pc - 534-186 $225.95 Fuel Rail, Aluminum, Clear Anodized, Universal, with Adjustable Regulator
1 pc - $25.00 TPiS Thermostat housing for MiniRam (works with OEM 1-1/4" upper rad hose.)
1 pc - 1205 $14.95 Felpro 1205
1 pc - 9894DBHERL $9.39 Earls Fitting, Power Fuel Injection Adapter, -6 AN Hose End to 14mm x 1.5 Female
1 pc - 9894DBJERL $9.39 Earls Fitting, Power Fuel Injection Adapter, -6 AN Hose End to 16mm x 1.5 Female
1 pc - 829006ERL $24.25 Earls Fitting, Hose End, Swivel Seal, 90 Degree, -6 AN Hose to Male 1/ 4 in. NPT (AFPR - Return line)
3 pc - 220690 $4.88 Summit Fitting, Hose End, Straight, -6 AN Hose to Female -6 AN, Aluminum, Red/Blue
(** - or > 800106ERL Earl's $6.25)
1 pc - 230610 $36.95 Summit Braided Stainless Steel, -6 AN, 10 ft. Length
2 pc - GAR-J9027 $3.99 Gardner-Westcott Hose Fitting, Straight, Brass, Chrome, 1/ 4 in. Hose Barb, 1/ 8 in. NPT
1 pc - SUM-G3116 $6.95 Summit Fitting, Straight, 3/8 in. Hose Barb to 3/8 in. Male NPT, Steel, Chrome, Set of 3
1 pc - PRM-15173 $13.99 Perma-Cool Fittings, 90 Degree, 3/ 8 in. Hose Barb to 3/ 8 in. Male NPT, Brass, Pair
(** - or > 1 pc - SPE-5946 $10.69, Spectre Industries Fittings, Fuel Fitting 90 Degree (Chrome) 3/8" NPT to 3/8" Barb )
1 pc - SUM-230163 $2.69 Summit Vacuum Hose, Hose, Vacuum, Rubber, Black, 1/4 in. Diameter, 4 ft. Length, Each
1 pc - (N/L at Summit) Vacuum Hose, Hose, Vacuum, Rubber, Black, 3/8 in. Diameter, 4 ft. Length, Each
1 pc - SUM-G1390 $6.95 Summit Vacuum Line Cap Kits. Assmnt of 20 pc
1 pc - $80 - Good Used F-Body Small Cap Distributor
1 pc - ACDELCO #PT166 $13.09 Ignition Coil-Ign Connector, Grey Plug (GM #12101896, Standard Motor Prod #S562 )
1 pc - ACDELCO #10456413 $27.46 GEAR,DISTR SHF HARDENED GEAR FOR STEEL CAM SHAFT
1 pc - ACDELCO #D503A $45.79 Ignition Coil (GM #12498334)
1 pc - ACDelco #10046033 $??? Coil-to-manifold bracket (discontinued)
(** - or > 1 pc - ACDelco #1987910 $10.33 Ignition Coil Wall Mounting Bracket
1 pc - ACDELCO #D447 $4.10 Distributor Rotor (GM #10496798)
1 pc - ACDELCO #D303A $22.79 Distributor Cap (GM #10477841)
1 pc - ACDELCO #316B $10.96 IGN COIL WIRE COIL-to-DIST-W/NIPPLE ENDS 12 INCH LONG (GM #12036972)
(** - or > 1 pc - ACDELCO #328N $12.74 IGN COIL WIRE COIL-to-DIST-W/NIPPLE ENDS 8 INCH LONG (GM #12073984)
1 pc - $30-90 Plug wire set
1 pc - $240 24#(@ 40 psi) Ford Motor Sports Blue Top injectors (unmatched)
Optional
1 pc - $345 52mm Holley Throttle Body
Somebody add that up, because im not!
Just buy a miniram and be done with it.
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Burning Brakes
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From: Indianapolis IN
Burning Brakes
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 998
Likes: 0
From: Indianapolis IN
I went to the TPIS website and that looks very promising. I sent them a note about the cost for the intake and fuel kit. If you truely get 75hp out of it that is not bad. It looks good too. Maybe get it powdercoated before I put it on and then pick up an accel throttle body for it.
Pro
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 702
Likes: 6
From: North Vancouver BC
Sarcastic sniping? There are just too many douche bags on here that have never run a car with a Mini and become instant experts due to what they read.
Mr Mojo's LT1 car beats L98 people in the 60', 330', and 1/8 mile yet the brain dead idiots cannot read that and keep perpetuating the NO TORQUE brain drain. For sake of keeping the idiots happy a LT1 intake is the same as a Mini.
If he's running a stick keep it in a lower gear and if he's running an auto buy a good torque converter, coming out of the corners a Mini would be OK and over 4500 it will walk a LTR intake.
But then again WTF do I know I've only run both intakes. You internet people have the answers due to what you've read on here.
Mr Mojo's LT1 car beats L98 people in the 60', 330', and 1/8 mile yet the brain dead idiots cannot read that and keep perpetuating the NO TORQUE brain drain. For sake of keeping the idiots happy a LT1 intake is the same as a Mini.
If he's running a stick keep it in a lower gear and if he's running an auto buy a good torque converter, coming out of the corners a Mini would be OK and over 4500 it will walk a LTR intake.
But then again WTF do I know I've only run both intakes. You internet people have the answers due to what you've read on here.
Maybe a *little bit less* low RPM torque actually helps someone like Mojo hook up and get scootin'...
Le Mans Master
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 9,036
Likes: 13
From: Edmonton AB
Motorvation Motorvator Throttle Body Spacers
#MVC-5016 Throttle Body Spacer, Motorvator, Aluminum, Natural,
1 in., Chevy/Pontiac, Camaro/Corvette/Firebird, Each
These potentially save some machining for plenum DIY'ers, too.
Check Jet, Airaid and Transdapt for similar items.
.
#MVC-5016 Throttle Body Spacer, Motorvator, Aluminum, Natural,
1 in., Chevy/Pontiac, Camaro/Corvette/Firebird, Each
These potentially save some machining for plenum DIY'ers, too.
Check Jet, Airaid and Transdapt for similar items.
.
Drifting
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 1,500
Likes: 0
From: Holliston MA
Cruise-In VII Veteran
It's a '91. No MAF. 406 ci., little under 11:1, Brodix -11 heads, Comp 236/242 hydraulic roller. I machined an aluminum block that mated the lines I bent up for the HSR directly to the stock lines.
Le Mans Master
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 7,033
Likes: 12
Anyhow, I've said it b4 and I'll say it again, a proper setup Mini car will cake walk a LTR intake. A LTR intake on a N/A 350 with a stick (15% loss) would be damn lucky to make 370chp, probably 360. I made around 350ish with an auto and it didn't matter what I had downstream (heads, cam, stock or not) from the intake, 350hp was about all a shortblock 350 would pull.
You'd honestly laugh to drive my car from a dead stop with a Mini and a 3.07 rear end and then revert back to this forum to hear how crappy Mini intakes are for torque loss. That's why I sound aggravated when I hear these CF members spew goo from their fingers saying these cars suck donkey *****. They have NO 1st hand knowledge yet are the experts.
When I can put my car sideways in 1 and 2 I don't think it matters if I can put it in a 360 spin, does ultra roasting the tires really matter? I'd rather have 25 lbs less torque at 2200rpms (which is below my stall) and 2000 more RPMs on top. Anyone wanna disagree with me?
Race Director
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 10,749
Likes: 41
I bought a new house and between moving and fixing the house up I've been a bit busy. Corvettes don't consume me to the point they used to in the past, I still like them but between the other toys/house it's only about 30% nowadays.
Anyhow, I've said it b4 and I'll say it again, a proper setup Mini car will cake walk a LTR intake. A LTR intake on a N/A 350 with a stick (15% loss) would be damn lucky to make 370chp, probably 360. I made around 350ish with an auto and it didn't matter what I had downstream (heads, cam, stock or not) from the intake, 350hp was about all a shortblock 350 would pull.
You'd honestly laugh to drive my car from a dead stop with a Mini and a 3.07 rear end and then revert back to this forum to hear how crappy Mini intakes are for torque loss. That's why I sound aggravated when I hear these CF members spew goo from their fingers saying these cars suck donkey *****. They have NO 1st hand knowledge yet are the experts.
When I can put my car sideways in 1 and 2 I don't think it matters if I can put it in a 360 spin, does ultra roasting the tires really matter? I'd rather have 25 lbs less torque at 2200rpms (which is below my stall) and 2000 more RPMs on top. Anyone wanna disagree with me?
Anyhow, I've said it b4 and I'll say it again, a proper setup Mini car will cake walk a LTR intake. A LTR intake on a N/A 350 with a stick (15% loss) would be damn lucky to make 370chp, probably 360. I made around 350ish with an auto and it didn't matter what I had downstream (heads, cam, stock or not) from the intake, 350hp was about all a shortblock 350 would pull.
You'd honestly laugh to drive my car from a dead stop with a Mini and a 3.07 rear end and then revert back to this forum to hear how crappy Mini intakes are for torque loss. That's why I sound aggravated when I hear these CF members spew goo from their fingers saying these cars suck donkey *****. They have NO 1st hand knowledge yet are the experts.
When I can put my car sideways in 1 and 2 I don't think it matters if I can put it in a 360 spin, does ultra roasting the tires really matter? I'd rather have 25 lbs less torque at 2200rpms (which is below my stall) and 2000 more RPMs on top. Anyone wanna disagree with me?
Well I will be using my 3.07's with my 4+3 when the 383 Miniram goes on. I am expecting no loss of low end torque. Hippy is right. Guys on here comment on stuff on a daily basis with no first hand knowledge.
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Hell, the 383 will probably compensate for any low RPM torque loss anyways, right? Hippy is right, but sometimes he comes off more viciously anti-LTR than he really is, I think. LTR is a nice way to boost the low-5000ish power while retaining EGR and the stock look that some guys dig. I'm not a dragstrip fiend so a higher flowing TPI meets my RPM and emissions needs, etc.