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I just got my first vette, 89. Check engine light , garage checked code, replaced MAF. 5 starts later, the check engine light back on, Help. Is this a money pit. What can i look for. New Vette owner of an older vette.
The FSM (Factory Service Manual). Then, a little understanding about codes. A code is set when a reading comes in on a circuit that doesn't match the parameters for the existing conditions. If the ECM gets a "funny" reading at the pin the MAF is connected to, it sets a code for the MAF. However, that doesn't mean that the MAF is bad. The MAF could be bad, but there could be a broken wire, a short, or depending on the device involved, other defects that could set a code. That is why I say. "Don't shoot the messenger". The FSM has trouble shooting charts for most all the codes, to help you track down, and diagnose the cause of a problem without throwing money and parts at it. The FSM isn't cheap, but it would have paid for itself with what was squandered on an unneeded MAF. Good luck, and...
I had a really hard to fine code 33 (MAF) problem a few years ago. I'm sorry to say that I spent over $1500 and 45 days in the local GM dealer only to find out after much tiral and error and many new parts (relays, MAF, sensors, etc, etc.) that the problem was the ECM chip (a $120 part). So, be careful with the dealers, they just start changing out parts and relays and running up terrific bills.
I had a really hard to fine code 33 (MAF) problem a few years ago. I'm sorry to say that I spent over $1500 and 45 days in the local GM dealer only to find out after much tiral and error and many new parts (relays, MAF, sensors, etc, etc.) that the problem was the ECM chip (a $120 part). So, be careful with the dealers, they just start changing out parts and relays and running up terrific bills.
Thats terrible man...I would have taken them to small claims.They had the car too long and could not follow the FSM to fix anything.Ive seen this before and theyre all parts changers and not true techs.
I will be the first to admit though,sometimes a ecm is a PITA to diagnose if the problem is very intermittent,but in your case they had the code and kept throwing everything at it?
If they threw all that at it,and nothing fixed it until an ecm,to me thats a big sign they didnt know how to check and backtrack to the ecm.You should not have to pay for parts or labor that did NOT repair the problem,ever.
This is WHY CFI tells everyone to use the FSM..at least youll have a way better chance of repairing it yourself,than alot of people out there who want to fix your car by guessing like we do on here.
From: San Diego , CA Double Yellow DirtBags 1985..Z51..6-speed
The car will continue to be a money pit if you pay mechanics to throw parts at it without diagnosing it.
You really need the diagnostic flow chart from the service manual to find the problem. Mechanics and even GM dealerships have access to this information but tend to only use it as a last resort when the customer's credit card is maxed out and they are raving pissed at the service counter and scaring off potential customers.
Yes, you guys are correct. The FSM is a God send and so is this Forum. In my case GM never correctly diagnosed the problem; they just kept throwing parts at it and some of the remanufactured parts were defective which just exacerbated the problem.
Out of frustration I joined this Forum seeking a resolution. In the end, it was technical advice from this Forum that finally identified the problem. I have been a Forum advocate ever since and have not been back to the dealership for a major repair since joining.