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Old Jun 18, 2007 | 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Kool88vette
Unless you have a fuel line to your fan, your fan is also running on electricity.

Provided by an alternator driven by a gasoline powered engine.

So using the fan consumes GASOLINE



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Old Jun 18, 2007 | 09:36 PM
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I just put central coaster and efi-cfi on my ignore list.
Thank goodness. Ignorance is bliss.

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Old Jun 18, 2007 | 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Kool88vette
I just put central coaster and efi-cfi on my ignore list. I am tired of their offensive remarks and their silly BS postings.
Well, "Kool", you just cut off two of the most important posters on the Forum. CFI-EFI for his knowledge, and CC for his lightning-quick humor. If you go back and read CFI-EFI's first post, everything that he said makes sense (100%). If your cooling system is in proper working order, the stock t-stat should work perfectly. If not, maybe it's time for a new radiator. I'm in Phoenix, ask me how I know.
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Old Jun 18, 2007 | 10:40 PM
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So if the electicity in your house come from a coal fired power plant, Then you have a coal fired TV, computer and lighting. Does that sound right to you?
Damn right it does. All the energy conversions in between pretty much just waste more coal.

And if I plug my electric car into my coal-fired house at night to charge it, then my "zero" emissions electric car is running on stinky coal too.
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Old Jun 18, 2007 | 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Kool88vette
It's too bad that a few screwballs mess everything up and turn a good forum into a silly 3 ring circus.
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Old Jun 19, 2007 | 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Kool88vette
So if the electricity in your house come from a coal fired power plant, Then you have a coal fired TV, computer and lighting. Does that sound right to you? Go to your hardware store and ask for a coal fired 50 watt bulb. Go to your auto parts store and ask for a gasoline driven fan for your C4. Right! Think about it.
You certainly can screw up a concept, with absolutely no help. In post #12 I said, "Since your engine "gets to 175 every time" and you have the fan come on at 175°, the fan then, never shuts off, adding wear and tear on the fan motor and wasting gasoline to generate the power to run it." What could be more clear that that? I don't contend that the fan is gas powered. I acknowledge that the fan is run by an electric motor. And state that the electricity is generated by gasoline. You answered that statement in post #13, with "My fan does not run off gasoline, it's electrical.". That is kind of like the linkage connecting your oil pump to your gas pedal that makes the oil pressure go up at WOT. How foolish can one get?



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Yes CFI-EFI does have some knowledge about Corvette. His method of conveying that knowledge is abusive.
Point out what is abusive about post #12. It is only after someone posts an idiotic response, such as I quoted from your post #13 answer, above, that I lose patients. If you don't like abuse... Listen. Don't make stupid presentations of "current law", when what you posted is being considered for the year 2010. Do you call 2010, current? And besides not being current, it is for diesel vehicles, 14,000 pounds and up. Hardly a concern of C4 owners. If you don't want to be treated like an idiot, don't write like one.



Originally Posted by Kool88vette
I can get the same info from my Chilton and other repair manuals. I'm gonna start to read them more. That's just as informative and you don't have to read through all the BS and other silly crap that some post. Instead of putting up with the BS, I'll just go to the manuals.
YEA!!! It's about time you endeavored to pick up some knowledge. Maybe a little reading will get the wheels turning, up there, for a change, instead of things like "My fan does not run off gasoline, it's electrical."



Originally Posted by Kool88vette
I have joined digital corvettes forum. It might be just as bad there. I will still post here on occasion, maybe. It's too bad that a few screwballs mess everything up and turn a good forum into a silly 3 ring circus.

I wonder low long they will put up with your foolishness? And as one of the afore mentioned screwballs departs, we say Don't go away, mad, Just...

RACE ON!!!

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Old Jun 19, 2007 | 11:05 AM
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Old Jun 19, 2007 | 12:19 PM
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Wow - kinda thought all this stuff was self-evident. Even the Prius gives up mileage (ie, uses fuel) just to recharge. I would think that an enthusiast would be aware of why there are underdrive pulley sets, decreased rolling resistance technology in tires, etc, etc, etc. Until it's completely solar or wind powered (and that's why the fan isn't needed at cruise), none of this convenience comes without using some gas.
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Old Jun 19, 2007 | 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Kool88vette
Well I expect this post will get me banned for life which is fine with me.
I came to this forum looking for accurate information. It is hard for a person that has admitted that he is not a mechanic to ascertain the BS from the truth. This is not a place to learn accurate automotive expertise. It is a chat room for mostly backyard mechanics and a few trained technicians. The silly posts are childish and difficult to tolerate. Some of you lack social skills. You are only capable of interacting in an envioronment like a chat room. In other words you need to get a life. I thought I wanted to be part of the Corvette community and that I would enjoy tinkering with a Vette. Maybe I will still pursue that idea but not here.

P.S. EFI-CFI, aforementioned is one word I should know I'm a paralegal not a stupid grease monkey like you and CC.
Good thoughts but I can never understand why people point out others faults and then act the exactly same way.

Good luck over at Digital Corvettes. There is little traffic, the babes section is nice though. Sxyvet went there too!
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Old Jun 19, 2007 | 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Kool88vette
Well I expect this post will get me banned for life which is fine with me.
I came to this forum looking for accurate information. It is hard for a person that has admitted that he is not a mechanic to ascertain the BS from the truth. This is not a place to learn accurate automotive expertise.
Especially when the admitted non-mechanic tries to poison the knowledge pool with declarations like "oil pressure increases at WOT" and "My fan does not run off gasoline, it's electrical.", And then you strenuously argue the ridiculous point. You started a thread to announce that the feds regulate engine temps, which is a totally wrong statement, and cut and paste "support" for your point that isn't even relevant. You are right, it IS hard for a person that has admitted that he is not a mechanic to ascertain the BS from the truth. And YOU are one of the big reasons that is true.



Originally Posted by Kool88vette
P.S. EFI-CFI, aforementioned is one word I should know I'm a paralegal not a stupid grease monkey like you and CC.
I am just tickled pink that I could give you one last nit for your maw. OH! A paralegal? A lawyer wannabe! What do you want to do when you grow up, if the neighbors will let you? I never made a nickle turning wrenches. It is an advocation of mine, not a vocation. "A stupid grease monkey like you and CC", eh? I'd love a chance to match wits with you, but I don't want to take advantage of an unarmed man.

RACE ON!!!
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Old Jun 19, 2007 | 09:49 PM
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Well, "Kool", you just cut off two of the most important posters on the Forum. CFI-EFI for his knowledge, and CC for his lightning-quick humor.
And vise versa
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Old Jun 19, 2007 | 10:54 PM
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Kool88, I'm done with the child's play.

If you're willing to learn than you have to be willing to be wrong, and willing to be corrected by others.

And same for me. If I say something that you think isn't true, first question yourself, then if it still doesn't ring true, say it, and say why.

If it something is wrong, then it's just that, and nothing can or needs to be said to defend it. No need to start name calling and dodging criticism. Don't take it personal, I don't get any royalties from the laws of thermodynamics.

Ego and learning don't mix.
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Well I can always use a silly and abusive answer, so riddle me this Batman
I have a cool running engine, in regards to oil and water temps with my big ol' BeCool and low temp fan settings. But I also have blow by and I know its important to get to a certain temp for certain amount of time to burn off acids and water that gets in the crankcase.
So what temps should I get mine up to? I barely get over 190 degrees water and 200 degrees oil, but usually very short trips.
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Old Jun 19, 2007 | 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by CentralCoaster
Kool88, I'm done with the child's play.

If you're willing to learn than you have to be willing to be wrong, and willing to be corrected by others.

And same for me. If I say something that you think isn't true, first question yourself, then if it still doesn't ring true, say it, and say why.

If it something is wrong, then it's just that, and nothing can or needs to be said to defend it. No need to start name calling and dodging criticism. Don't take it personal, I don't get any royalties from the laws of thermodynamics.

Ego and learning don't mix.
I'm a bit of a butthead at times. I just don't like being reminded about it.
Peace out

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Old Jun 19, 2007 | 11:29 PM
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Well I can always use a silly and abusive answer, so riddle me this Batman
I have a cool running engine, in regards to oil and water temps with my big ol' BeCool and low temp fan settings. But I also have blow by and I know its important to get to a certain temp for certain amount of time to burn off acids and water that gets in the crankcase.
So what temps should I get mine up to? I barely get over 190 degrees water and 200 degrees oil, but usually very short trips.
To add a little sanity to this post not to mention get off the subject...
190 / 200 are good temps, just a lil lower than stock and certainly high enough to make everything work right.

Blowby is another matter, that's ring seal as well you know, and fixing that is an "inside job" for sure.

I fought blowby on my Camaro for years, trying different crankcase ventilation and breather schemes to try to get the mess off my valve covers. When I tore it down for the rebuild and stroker, I found both comporession rings on #2 shattered in a zillion peices! Car ran fine and didn't use much oil at all, just made a mess of the valve covers.
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Old Jun 19, 2007 | 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by steve40th
Well I can always use a silly and abusive answer, so riddle me this Batman
I have a cool running engine, in regards to oil and water temps with my big ol' BeCool and low temp fan settings. But I also have blow by and I know its important to get to a certain temp for certain amount of time to burn off acids and water that gets in the crankcase.
So what temps should I get mine up to? I barely get over 190 degrees water and 200 degrees oil, but usually very short trips.
So I guess you have an oil cooler? I have this crap stock one and I can get that oil over 240 if I drive it hard at high rpms. The oil temp sender is right at the filter, which is about the coolest part of the system I believe. There is no magical temp for burning off moisture, the hotter it is, the faster it evaporates. So running at 180F oil will take longer to burn off than running at 200F. If you have a lot of blowby like me, the oil probably gets contaminated with combustion leftovers so quick that you have to change it often anyways. Although if your Corvette is coal-fired, then I would consult CFI-EFI.
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Old Jun 20, 2007 | 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by CentralCoaster
So I guess you have an oil cooler? I have this crap stock one and I can get that oil over 240 if I drive it hard at high rpms. The oil temp sender is right at the filter, which is about the coolest part of the system I believe. There is no magical temp for burning off moisture, the hotter it is, the faster it evaporates. So running at 180F oil will take longer to burn off than running at 200F. If you have a lot of blowby like me, the oil probably gets contaminated with combustion leftovers so quick that you have to change it often anyways. Although if your Corvette is coal-fired, then I would consult CFI-EFI.
I dont have an oil cooler, it just runs cool, until spirited driving happens. Here in Hawaii it is not easy to drive with allot of throttle. I put a new sensor in when I installed the engine. ANd yes, my blow by is pretty darn heavy with the low tension rings.
How often do you change your oil, and what type do you use?
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Old Jun 20, 2007 | 09:21 AM
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ANd yes, my blow by is pretty darn heavy with the low tension rings.
AHA! Low tension rings are not a good idea on a street car. Replacing the PVC system with an electric vacuum pump will seal them. If you do that, take the seals off your exhaust valves, and keep your fingers crossed that the guides will get enough oil.
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So what temps should I get mine up to? I barely get over 190 degrees water and 200 degrees oil, but usually very short trips.
If those "very short trips" are a 1/4 mile at a time, or through the cones like the pic in your post, then don't worry about it. For highway/street use, slightly higher temps wouldn't hurt. You could raise your fan, on, temps. Better yet, go for longer drives.

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Originally Posted by CFI-EFI
If those "very short trips" are a 1/4 mile at a time, or through the cones like the pic in your post, then don't worry about it. For highway/street use, slightly higher temps wouldn't hurt. You could raise your fan, on, temps. Better yet, go for longer drives.

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Unfortunately most of my trips are short and light throttle. I think I may raise the fan temps a little.
The low tension rings are my big problem, and a plan toreplace them is underway. I just drove around the island of Oahu the other day on Fathers day. 127 miles from my house and back to my door!
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