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Old Jul 3, 2007 | 05:46 PM
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is it "usual" to get "cross-fire" if your plugwires are tight togheter?
I try to find a little missfire during low rpm driving.

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Old Jul 3, 2007 | 06:00 PM
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I had to finally upgrade to the 8mm plug wires to get the "rough" Idle out. Now things are smooth especially at the low rpms.

One made mention of the Stock Guides for the wires needing to be in place. I Questioned further (like you) but got no response from him or the rest of the forum.

I'd like to know, I have mine zip tied to the Metal tabs on the Valve covers where the plastic guides should be.
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Old Jul 3, 2007 | 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by jhammons01
I had to finally upgrade to the 8mm plug wires to get the "rough" Idle out. Now things are smooth especially at the low rpms.

One made mention of the Stock Guides for the wires needing to be in place. I Questioned further (like you) but got no response from him or the rest of the forum.

I'd like to know, I have mine zip tied to the Metal tabs on the Valve covers where the plastic guides should be.
The stock wires are 8 mm. They have been, in GM cars for many years, as long as the HEI has been used (mid '70's?).

When two secondary ignition wires are close together, running parallel to each other, the current from one wire can induce a current into adjacent wire. Spark plug wires should never be bundled with wire ties, holding them close together. Even properly separated in wire looms, plug wires shouldn't run parallel for much distance. When wires have to cross, they should cross as close to a 90° angle as possible.

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Old Jul 3, 2007 | 10:13 PM
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Very Interesting......

And I am not sure what size, Maybe be bigger, hows that? I know they were bigger than what came off. ( I looked around the Garage but I don't see the invoice, so I can't verify the number for sure)

Now, to the plastic spacers, can you give us a good idea where to find new ones?
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Old Jul 4, 2007 | 01:06 AM
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Ecklers used to have the original wire looms that pop on to the metal tabs. They're probably $39.99 each, but that's the only place I've seen them.
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Old Jul 4, 2007 | 01:58 AM
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On my LT1, granted, it's in a 4Runner, I'm using part number MFY-5035613, they're $45 from summit and bolt nicely to the center bolt on the valve covers.

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Old Jul 4, 2007 | 02:12 AM
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Wow Zach540! An LT1 in a 4Runner. I have a 4Runner too. Are you in CA?
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No, I'm living in SD for the time being, until the military wants to relocate me to another base
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Originally Posted by CFI-EFI
The stock wires are 8 mm. They have been, in GM cars for many years, as long as the HEI has been used (mid '70's?).

When two secondary ignition wires are close together, running parallel to each other, the current from one wire can induce a current into adjacent wire. Spark plug wires should never be bundled with wire ties, holding them close together. Even properly separated in wire looms, plug wires shouldn't run parallel for much distance. When wires have to cross, they should cross as close to a 90° angle as possible.

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I tried to seperate all the wires today as much as i could. Its a huge improvement. No more tiny popps in the exhaust during low rpm operations.
Im just curios as I got now missfire at high RPM. I pull this baby to 6500 with no hesitation what so ever. Its just during low rpm, where I could hear tiny popps in the exuahst ( like unclean combustion ). And the car bucked a bit from time to time. Whery strange..?

Its not 100% good thou. Its now like 90% good. I still have some tiny bucking/jerking at low rpm. But perhaps that is in the tune.
The exhaust note is much better thou.

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Originally Posted by jhammons01
Very Interesting......

And I am not sure what size, Maybe be bigger, hows that?
That's fine. I can only respond to what you post.



Originally Posted by jhammons01
Now, to the plastic spacers, can you give us a good idea where to find new ones?
It has been years, but when I needed new plastic wire holders that slide onto the factory brackets, I ordered them from a Chevy (ouch) dealer. Everybody and his brother has a wire holding/routing system. There is no limit to your possibilities. I wanted to use the stock set up.

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Any ide why this only show its ugly face at low rpm?
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Not to hijack the thread, but.....

That LT1 4Runner is one of the coolest swaps I've ever seen. Please....start another thread with build up pics and details....

OK, back to the plug wire thread.....
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Originally Posted by CFI-EFI
That's fine. I can only respond to what you post.
oh, no worries here. I don't get mired in the minutia. I am only interested in the principle. I am happy you are spilling truth out all over the floor. I need it.

"Wire Looms" is that the proper name for these or, is that colloquial?
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Ecklers used to have the original wire looms that pop on to the metal tabs. They're probably $39.99 each, but that's the only place I've seen them.
Eckler's and MAM still carry the O.E.M. Packard wire retainers and separators.

They're like $10.99 plus shipping for the complete kit at MAM, not sure about Eckler's.

http://www.madvet.com/shop?frame=3.815

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I'm going to buy that Summit setup.

I totally removed the brackets on mine. I got sick of getting my fingers hacked up by them
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Originally Posted by onedef92
Eckler's and MAM still carry the O.E.M. Packard wire retainers and separators.

They're like $10.99 plus shipping for the complete kit at MAM, not sure about Eckler's.

http://www.madvet.com/shop?frame=3.815
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Thank you very much, this is just what is needed.

I'll order a set as soon as I post this
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Originally Posted by jhammons01
Holy Snicky's the forum comes through again.

Thank you very much, this is just what is needed.

I'll order a set as soon as I post this
I'm going to order a set, too.

After replacing all the ingition wires on my car two weeks ago, I'm not in a hurry to walk through the LT-1 Driver's Side "Hellhole" any time soon and want to protect the new wires from touching any hot engine parts and protect them from chafing.
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FEDEX: 374269271032635

That is the Tracking number for my wire holders. They'll be here soon
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