Heads/Cam/hearders...same O/sameO
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Heads/Cam/hearders...same O/sameO
im looking at mods again. Want EVERYTHING.
Heads
Cam
Ported intake
Longtubes
BUT.. my budget may not allow for it all.
If I have to chose....
Cam/headers?
Heads/intake?
If I do the cam, i will have to pull my torque converter and send it for a rework.
$5000 budget...suggestions please
Phil
Heads
Cam
Ported intake
Longtubes
BUT.. my budget may not allow for it all.
If I have to chose....
Cam/headers?
Heads/intake?
If I do the cam, i will have to pull my torque converter and send it for a rework.
$5000 budget...suggestions please
Phil
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Re: Heads/Cam/hearders...same O/sameO (Phil-tha-Rush)
Vigilante will give you one rework for FREE!!!
Heads: $1999.95
Custom billet core camground to specs: $395.00
Intake: $295.00
Longtubes(Ceramic coated): $499.95
ARP Gasket Set: $124.95
Head bolts $56.95
Stage 8 locking header bolts $36.95
Pragramming $350
Throttle Body : $200-475 depending on a ported and polished stocker or AS&M Billet Throttle body.
Pro Mag roller Rockers $259.95
Hardened pushrods $39.95
Guideplates: $21.95
The ultimate in performance for your LT1...PRICELESS!!!
:yesnod: :D :yesnod:
Give me a ring if you are interested.
Heads: $1999.95
Custom billet core camground to specs: $395.00
Intake: $295.00
Longtubes(Ceramic coated): $499.95
ARP Gasket Set: $124.95
Head bolts $56.95
Stage 8 locking header bolts $36.95
Pragramming $350
Throttle Body : $200-475 depending on a ported and polished stocker or AS&M Billet Throttle body.
Pro Mag roller Rockers $259.95
Hardened pushrods $39.95
Guideplates: $21.95
The ultimate in performance for your LT1...PRICELESS!!!
:yesnod: :D :yesnod:
Give me a ring if you are interested.
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Re: Heads/Cam/hearders...same O/sameO (Phil-tha-Rush)
Are you doing the work (installing cam/heads) or having it done? Also, how many miles on the car?
Here's some approximate pricing (I've been doing similar research):
Good CNC porting on the heads (including new valves, springs, retainers, seals): $1500
Port Intake: $300
Cam: $200
XD Timing Chain: $215 (from Jeff Kopp)
Various gaskets/seals: $150
Headers: $600?
New Lifters: $200 (if your motor has a lot of miles)
Roller rockers/studs/guideplates/pushrods: $375
Computer reporgram: $350
Total: (approximately) $3900
Other items you might need would be a new Opti, Waterpump and 52mm TB
That leaves you about $1000 to spare for misc items unless you're having the work done. If that's the case, you'll have to cut out something. If you're having someone else do the work, the TC swap is going to add several hundred $ to the labor cost.
I did a Hotcam in mine last year. While it was a noticable boost in HP, if I had it to do over again, I would have spent the extra $$ and done the heads at the same time. Labor wise, swapping the heads isn't much extra while doing a cam because everything's off anyway. Personally, I'd do the Heads, intake, cam, rockers, converter, and computer. The other stuff can be added pretty easily later as more $$ is available.
Here's some approximate pricing (I've been doing similar research):
Good CNC porting on the heads (including new valves, springs, retainers, seals): $1500
Port Intake: $300
Cam: $200
XD Timing Chain: $215 (from Jeff Kopp)
Various gaskets/seals: $150
Headers: $600?
New Lifters: $200 (if your motor has a lot of miles)
Roller rockers/studs/guideplates/pushrods: $375
Computer reporgram: $350
Total: (approximately) $3900
Other items you might need would be a new Opti, Waterpump and 52mm TB
That leaves you about $1000 to spare for misc items unless you're having the work done. If that's the case, you'll have to cut out something. If you're having someone else do the work, the TC swap is going to add several hundred $ to the labor cost.
I did a Hotcam in mine last year. While it was a noticable boost in HP, if I had it to do over again, I would have spent the extra $$ and done the heads at the same time. Labor wise, swapping the heads isn't much extra while doing a cam because everything's off anyway. Personally, I'd do the Heads, intake, cam, rockers, converter, and computer. The other stuff can be added pretty easily later as more $$ is available.
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Re: Heads/Cam/hearders...same O/sameO (MarkBychowski)
unfortunatly, i will be having the work done.
i dont have the facilities, tools or expertise to do a job like this.
In 1975, I tore down and rebuilt my SS396, but this stuff has passed me by.
thats why im looking for an "either/or" suggestion.
would i get better gains from head/intake, OR cam swap/headers (which would also mean a TC rework).
i understand that programing and other "minor" items will have to be included in my options.
the car has 34,000 miles, and is in exellent shape. Im sure someone is gonna tell me to do it all, but that may NOT be an option at this time.
thanx
phil
i dont have the facilities, tools or expertise to do a job like this.
In 1975, I tore down and rebuilt my SS396, but this stuff has passed me by.
thats why im looking for an "either/or" suggestion.
would i get better gains from head/intake, OR cam swap/headers (which would also mean a TC rework).
i understand that programing and other "minor" items will have to be included in my options.
the car has 34,000 miles, and is in exellent shape. Im sure someone is gonna tell me to do it all, but that may NOT be an option at this time.
thanx
phil
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Re: Heads/Cam/hearders...same O/sameO (Phil-tha-Rush)
im looking at mods again. Want EVERYTHING.
Heads
Cam
Ported intake
Longtubes
Heads
Cam
Ported intake
Longtubes
Your lifters should be fine and honestly, I don't think you'll need a new timing chain, either. Nice insurance but a bit of overkill.
You can save quite a bit on labor by having it all done at once. That's the smart way to do it.
If you *really* have to pick and choose, I'd do cam/heads/PCM first if you can afford it. Next choice would be cam/headers/PCM (I recommend Ed Wright at Fastchip). You might pick up 40 HP just with that and it should give you the most bang for the buck. Next up would have to be heads with a good valve train. The throttle body, intake (CNC'd LT4 if you can), and other stuff you can do as you can afford it.
Should be a righteous ride when you are done! :yesnod:
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Re: Heads/Cam/hearders...same O/sameO (Phil-tha-Rush)
This is what I'm looking at:
(From ARE website)
Stage 2 Head and Cam Package
-Stage 2 heads, ARE fully ported intake
-ARE custom spec cam, Comp Cams moly pushrods
-Crane Gold 1.6 roller rockers
-Drive in/out, includes all gaskets, fluids, plugs etc.
-Custom PCM programming included
$4,200 US funds
I took my friend (forum member Buckmaster) up there to have a stage 2 package put on his C5. They are a first rate shop, very interested in making their customers happy.
I'm either going to do this or give Patrick my car and some $$ for his Grand Sport. :confused: :confused:
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(From ARE website)
Stage 2 Head and Cam Package
-Stage 2 heads, ARE fully ported intake
-ARE custom spec cam, Comp Cams moly pushrods
-Crane Gold 1.6 roller rockers
-Drive in/out, includes all gaskets, fluids, plugs etc.
-Custom PCM programming included
$4,200 US funds
I took my friend (forum member Buckmaster) up there to have a stage 2 package put on his C5. They are a first rate shop, very interested in making their customers happy.
I'm either going to do this or give Patrick my car and some $$ for his Grand Sport. :confused: :confused:
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Re: Heads/Cam/hearders...same O/sameO (billyhay)
ARE StageII Heads/Cam
StageII heads
Ported/polished intake
custom grind cam
lots of extras
computer programming and dyno tuning
plus it includes a warranty from ARE if they do the install. Price is only 2550 if you can do it yourself.
Thats the route I would go :cool:
StageII heads
Ported/polished intake
custom grind cam
lots of extras
computer programming and dyno tuning
plus it includes a warranty from ARE if they do the install. Price is only 2550 if you can do it yourself.
Thats the route I would go :cool:
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Re: Heads/Cam/hearders...same O/sameO (Phil-tha-Rush)
If you are looking for a good drive, I think we can set you up with a pretty awesome package for around $5000 installed! There might be a few things sacrificed, such a Comp Cams camshaft (custom ground) instead of a billet core camshaft and intake porting. We could do one of our 52 mm TB's on exchange. Even including a fabricating the catback to fit the longtubes. :)
Sure is a long drive, but when the car was finished, I can guarantee you it will be very much worth it. :)
Sure is a long drive, but when the car was finished, I can guarantee you it will be very much worth it. :)
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Re: Heads/Cam/hearders...same O/sameO (2FST4U)
you guys have certainly got my interests up now.
Were is ARE....website?
Chris..
Honestly, I have been considering a "vacation" trip to Texas for a LOOOOOONG time!
I was in San Antonio in 71-72 (AirForce, and enjoyed the area emmensly.
Both suggestions sound doable.
My question here would be "turnaround" time on the car.
With either of these options, I would still need to rework the Torque converter?
(not that I mind...)remember, I have a 2600 Vig, and Chris had earlier recommended a 3000 pm.
Cam??
both of you mentioned custom grind?
I hear a lot about the LT-4 Hot Cam...opinions ?
thanx......lots of help so far.
phil
Were is ARE....website?
Chris..
Honestly, I have been considering a "vacation" trip to Texas for a LOOOOOONG time!
I was in San Antonio in 71-72 (AirForce, and enjoyed the area emmensly.
Both suggestions sound doable.
My question here would be "turnaround" time on the car.
With either of these options, I would still need to rework the Torque converter?
(not that I mind...)remember, I have a 2600 Vig, and Chris had earlier recommended a 3000 pm.
Cam??
both of you mentioned custom grind?
I hear a lot about the LT-4 Hot Cam...opinions ?
thanx......lots of help so far.
phil
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Re: Heads/Cam/hearders...same O/sameO (Phil-tha-Rush)
Were is ARE....website?
CLICK HERE AGOSTINO RACING ENGINES :D
By the way, they are in Toronto.
[Modified by billyhay, 1:05 PM 11/17/2001]
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Re: Heads/Cam/hearders...same O/sameO (billyhay)
Were is ARE....website?
I guess I didn't make it clear enough in my above post. :confused:
CLICK HERE AGOSTINO RACING ENGINES :D
By the way, they are in Toronto.
[Modified by billyhay, 1:05 PM 11/17/2001]
I guess I didn't make it clear enough in my above post. :confused:
CLICK HERE AGOSTINO RACING ENGINES :D
By the way, they are in Toronto.
[Modified by billyhay, 1:05 PM 11/17/2001]
LOL...i guess im getteing to old :smash:
Thanx for the info...and the fact you mentioned Toronto is extra info for me.
The adress on the site was totaly FORIEGN to me
thanx
phil
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Re: Heads/Cam/hearders...same O/sameO (Phil-tha-Rush)
The Hot cam is a decent cam. Nothing special. It produces some good HP and torque. I would not call it the optimal cam. If you are very budget minded, I would consider this cam. If you want to assure yourself that you will RARELY EVER be beat by the guy next to you, there are better cams out there that will give more power! That is my suggestion. After all, we are not modding our motors to make them win a few...loose a few, we are in it to be FAST!!! :) :)
If you don't mind a little lump in the cam, I would go with our 235/242 .568/.592 cam and put it on a 112* LSA. This cam has little chance of passing emission and will have a little lump to it, but the car will idle great, be very drivable even with the A/C on, and put you in the top percentile of power!!! It is BAD!!! ;)
We would need your car for at least 3 days. We could have an exchange set of heads waiting for you so there would be no extra downtime.
We would need some advance notice so we could get some heads ready for you. We are about 2-3 weeks out right now. The snow is starting to fall, race seasons are ending and people are tearing into their cars!
Let me know if you have any more questions.
Thanks,
If you don't mind a little lump in the cam, I would go with our 235/242 .568/.592 cam and put it on a 112* LSA. This cam has little chance of passing emission and will have a little lump to it, but the car will idle great, be very drivable even with the A/C on, and put you in the top percentile of power!!! It is BAD!!! ;)
We would need your car for at least 3 days. We could have an exchange set of heads waiting for you so there would be no extra downtime.
We would need some advance notice so we could get some heads ready for you. We are about 2-3 weeks out right now. The snow is starting to fall, race seasons are ending and people are tearing into their cars!
Let me know if you have any more questions.
Thanks,
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Re: Heads/Cam/hearders...same O/sameO (2FST4U)
thanks Chris..
im getting a lot of info from all you guys.
Ive been out of the "performance" picture since 1978, and everthing is so different. I sold the 73 vette (stock) and the 73 Z/28 (12 second car built by me), and went the SUV/boating/camping/hanging with the family rout.
Im gettin the itch again for performance. At 52 years old, im not looking for extremes :lol: but want to put a surprise on the youngsters that wanna "smoke" the ole fat man in the vette :smash: :lol:
the car MUST still be reliable, and comfortable enough to drive coast to coast with no worries of breakdowns :lol:
:seeya
phil
im getting a lot of info from all you guys.
Ive been out of the "performance" picture since 1978, and everthing is so different. I sold the 73 vette (stock) and the 73 Z/28 (12 second car built by me), and went the SUV/boating/camping/hanging with the family rout.
Im gettin the itch again for performance. At 52 years old, im not looking for extremes :lol: but want to put a surprise on the youngsters that wanna "smoke" the ole fat man in the vette :smash: :lol:
the car MUST still be reliable, and comfortable enough to drive coast to coast with no worries of breakdowns :lol:
:seeya
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Re: Heads/Cam/hearders...same O/sameO (Phil-tha-Rush)
My Cartek head and cam package ran a 11.58 today.
I think thats saids it all. Good luck.
I think thats saids it all. Good luck.
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Re: Heads/Cam/hearders...same O/sameO (Phil-tha-Rush)
thanks Chris..
im getting a lot of info from all you guys.
the car MUST still be reliable, and comfortable enough to drive coast to coast with no worries of breakdowns :lol:
:seeya
phil
im getting a lot of info from all you guys.
the car MUST still be reliable, and comfortable enough to drive coast to coast with no worries of breakdowns :lol:
:seeya
phil
This is not to say that the car will have no problems. Factory stock cars have problems. We will just eliminate a few of the weak links for you. :)
Gather some more data and see what you think. An informed decision is a good decision.
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Re: Heads/Cam/hearders...same O/sameO (2FST4U)
If you are looking for a good drive, I think we can set you up with a pretty awesome package for around $5000 installed! There might be a few things sacrificed, such a Comp Cams camshaft (custom ground) instead of a billet core camshaft and intake porting. We could do one of our 52 mm TB's on exchange. Even including a fabricating the catback to fit the longtubes.
Sure is a long drive, but when the car was finished, I can guarantee you it will be very much worth it.
Sure is a long drive, but when the car was finished, I can guarantee you it will be very much worth it.
Hrmm, you've got someone else interested Chris... What kind of HP are you looking with the above work from an otherwise stock LT-1? How much of a requirement are the headers? I'm not a big fan of headers and if I can get away with stock manifolds and porting, I'd rather do that.
I've got friends in the Pearland area of Texas and could stay with them when the time comes :) Only about a 1000 mile drive for me :)
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Re: Heads/Cam/hearders...same O/sameO (Springer's 95)
Springer's 95,
The more the merrier! :)
The headers are going to drop your HP significantly on an LT1 Heads and cam package! I would highly recommend them.
Depending on the camshaft selected, you are looking at somewhere between 360-400 RWHP! This also depends on the trans(6 or auto).
This is a proven package that has MANY FOLLOWERS. :)
Let me know when you are ready.
The more the merrier! :)
The headers are going to drop your HP significantly on an LT1 Heads and cam package! I would highly recommend them.
Depending on the camshaft selected, you are looking at somewhere between 360-400 RWHP! This also depends on the trans(6 or auto).
This is a proven package that has MANY FOLLOWERS. :)
Let me know when you are ready.
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Re: Heads/Cam/hearders...same O/sameO (2FST4U)
Thanks for the reply Chris,
Guess headers will have to be included in my plans... The car is an auto with 3.07 rear. If I'm driving out to TX to have the work done, I'd leave the 3.07 and have that done locally after I got back. This won't be happening until spring, but you will get my call when it comes.
Guess headers will have to be included in my plans... The car is an auto with 3.07 rear. If I'm driving out to TX to have the work done, I'd leave the 3.07 and have that done locally after I got back. This won't be happening until spring, but you will get my call when it comes.