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Old Nov 2, 2007 | 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by CentralCoaster
That S2000 driver sucks. I wish some of those ricers would trade keys with me so I could see what difference their poor driving has. 1/8th mile doesn't give any room for error.
Ahhh, but let's put them on a roadcourse where it really matters...

I know, I don't belong on this thread, but couldn't resist.
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Old Nov 2, 2007 | 04:25 PM
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Ahhh, but let's put them on a roadcourse where it really matters...

I know, I don't belong on this thread, but couldn't resist.
Yeah, keep your reality out of this thread. Internet racers only.

Once I tried doing a burnout in the waterbox, but it shorted out my keyboard!

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Old Nov 2, 2007 | 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by LT4BUD
There are just too many unknowns to agree or disagree....you have made some assumptions, perhaps reasonable, but assumptions...
I didn't make any assumptions.

Car A: 260hp x 5252 / 240ft-lb = 5690rpm
Car B: 240hp x 5252 / 260ft-lb = 4850rpm

He said gearing is the same, so Car A is going 17% faster.
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Old Nov 2, 2007 | 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by CentralCoaster
I didn't make any assumptions.

Car A: 260hp x 5252 / 240ft-lb = 5690rpm
Car B: 240hp x 5252 / 260ft-lb = 4850rpm

He said gearing is the same, so Car A is going 17% faster.
OK, but at this instant in time Car B is accelerating faster...more torque!

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Old Nov 2, 2007 | 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by wayne lowry
Yet the guy Who ran 12.99 at 108 screams "I beat you!"..


That's because he did, Sounds like a Toyota Supra pass 13.X @ 120
He beat you to the stripe with less HP. I'd call that a win every day of the week! You wouldn't brag about having the highest golf score and the most expensive clubs would you?
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Old Nov 2, 2007 | 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by LT4BUD
OK, but at this instant in time Car B is accelerating faster...more torque!

But rate of acceleration doesn't mean anything if you're not comparing them at the same speed.

If you're behind me, going slower, but accelerating more than me, I will still be pulling away from you! Think about that one.
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Old Nov 2, 2007 | 04:57 PM
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What were you doing in the water box with your computer?
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Old Nov 2, 2007 | 05:43 PM
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Old Nov 2, 2007 | 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by CentralCoaster
But rate of acceleration doesn't mean anything if you're not comparing them at the same speed.

If you're behind me, going slower, but accelerating more than me, I will still be pulling away from you! Think about that one.
..but the data given was for the same instant in time, not the same speed......

...with the information given how to you get to comparative data at the same speed, maybe make some assumptions???

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Old Nov 2, 2007 | 07:45 PM
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Neither of them will win, a big gorilla comes out of no where and blocks the track.
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Old Nov 2, 2007 | 09:23 PM
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OK, as OP, I'll mention the specifics that I have in mind:stock, L98 Vette vs 07/08 Toyota Camry. On a more big picture note, reflecting on the HP wars- such that many current sedans have more HP than sports cars of not that long ago

Back to Camry- yeah I know, 200# or so heavier than Vette, but think of heavyset owner (w. SO as pax), being offset by 98# grandma in Camry potentially matching up against L98 Vette at certain speeds. For number crunchers, V6 Camry gets 268 HP @ 6200 RPM, 248ft# torque @ 4700 RPM. For other sedans,(latest Taurus, Sonata, etc, numbers quite similar). None can match Vettes torque, or aerodynamics @ speed.

Just for the record- I'm former 92 coupe owner, current C6 coupe owner, and at least casually interested in automotive history/development trends
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Old Nov 2, 2007 | 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by pro6sp
OK, as OP, I'll mention the specifics that I have in mind:stock, L98 Vette vs 07/08 Toyota Camry.



We'll have to get RED85Z51 in here for that one. He is our resident Camry racing expert. He has seen the taillights of many Camrys.

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Old Nov 2, 2007 | 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by CentralCoaster
He beat you to the stripe with less HP. I'd call that a win every day of the week! You wouldn't brag about having the highest golf score and the most expensive clubs would you?
That was my point and why I quoted it, they way you have it quoted it looks like I am the originator of that
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Old Nov 2, 2007 | 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by wayne lowry
I like big BUTTS and I can not lie!
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Old Nov 3, 2007 | 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by CentralCoaster
Is that the Best you can do ?? Boring I expected something hysterical from you. It's o.k. I won't cry like a pussfag over it.

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Old Nov 3, 2007 | 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by CentralCoaster
He beat you to the stripe with less HP. I'd call that a win every day of the week! You wouldn't brag about having the highest golf score and the most expensive clubs would you?
Depends on how you look at it. My formula would go 119-120 mph every pass, but the ets would be all over the map depending on if i used street tires or slicks.

Either way, we race IHRA up here and it's all about dial in w/ handicaps.
A 14 second car can beat an 11 second car all day.

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Originally Posted by anesthes
Either way, we race IHRA up here and it's all about dial in w/ handicaps.
A 14 second car can beat an 11 second car all day.
Not if his ETs are all over the place like yours.
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Originally Posted by pro6sp
What would be useable formula for calculating effect on acceleration for any given HP/Torque.

My specific example: Car A & Car B making acceleration run, identical in every respect (weight, axle ratio, gear ratios), EXCEPT, that Car A, at given moment is putting out 260HP, 240ft# torque, Car B is putting out 240HP, 260ft#torque. Would both cars accelerate the same throughout the sprint, OR would superiority in 1 factor trump superiority in other factor? Thanks
You need to plot the curves for both and do an integral area calculation. The one w/the most area wins.
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Originally Posted by CentralCoaster
Not if his ETs are all over the place like yours.
True true. On race days we were consistant, but on 'street night' with no slicks that car went every way but straight.

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