Good going Rick...sick em! Like I've said before and I'll say it again...we ALL get tired of hearing about his miraculous "stock" CFI motor with 165K miles that runs 13s. I guess you have to define what the word "stock" means first. Even porting the manifold makes it an out of GM spec "stock" manifold anymore other than being a manifold that came on the car, because porting a "stock" CF manifold isn't a "stock" feature of a CF, but a cure. I think the word "stock" confuses you. STOP misleading new CFI owners with your non-sense.

I "invite" you and will "pay" for your tech slip to drive up from Tucson and bring your CF to Firebird International Raceway and we will see how well your car can do against our CFs and I promise I won't use DR's either. But wait...You're probably now saying, hey you guys aren't running stock CFI either and now you want to race me...LOL, if that bothers you, then we will only watch you, race your magic machine and take notes to post on here on how well you did and maybe settle this once and for all. I’m sure you’ll have a good excuse why you can’t come on up here and take me up on this offer…please don’t let me/us down.

Don't bother posting a time slip, they are easy to forge and proves nothing. However, if you come up here to Phoenix and we see it with our own eye's then I'll be a believer. Just post a time and date when you are coming and we'll be there. The Winter Nationals is coming in February and the track will be awesome just before then BTW, it always is.

 

finally... the truth!
simple. because in every 84' tech related post that pops up, you first claim 13.8 with your stock crossfire. then after a few members ask "how the hell did you break into the 13s with a stock Xfire???" you THEN give out the bulk of your mods. theres hardly any "sneaking into your garage"
hmmm, so lets assume the converter was worth a conservative .5 sec, and the exhaust a conservative .2 sec. that puts your "stock Xfire with ported manifold only" Vette in the mid 14s. hardly fast enough to take out stock or near stock TPI Corvettes everytime you line up with them, even the early iron headed cars

food for thought: i had a TPI Vette years ago that had minor boltons... and i do mean minor. per your wording, mine was "stock" with only the EGR walls removed in the plenum. hows 13.22 at 104.79mph with a 1.88 60ft grab you? now if you ask me the list of mods done to the CAR, id tell you it had upgraded front & rear Ypipes, muffler elims, a S10 stall converter, and a crank pulley. no headers, stock gears, no DRs, no chip. since i never had the valve covers off, motor apart, or any "maintenance" performed, i can still claim its "stock" just like you right? seems to me a 13.2 is faster than a 13.8, putting any Xfire myths about them being stronger than TPI to rest, ported manifold or not

 

great thread

 

I don't claim that even though it still uses the stock casting, that my manifold is stock. I have constantly admitted that my manifold is home ported. The long block is factory stock. A long block doesn't include intake or exhaust manifolds. I have never said the whole engine was stock, or used words that were intended to convey the manifold was stock. And just for the record, since I mentioned the exhaust manifolds, mine have never been off of the engine. It has in fact, never had a head off. The repairs to the engine are limited to valve stem seals, a timing chain set, and a water pump. There have also been a couple of starters and alternators.



Finally??? I have never claimed otherwise.



So you admit that I make no secret of my modifications. Make up your mind. You can't have it both ways. As I have always said, "I have a stock LONG BLOCK" Crossfire. Too many people don't properly read what is written, then accuse me of saying what I haven't. Many of the Crossfires out there have heads, cams, roller rockers, headers, etc, in addition to the modifications I have. Some are even no longer 350s. I refer to my "stock long block" to make the distinction.



That grabs me just fine. You had a TPI that was faster than my Crossfire. Fine. I have never claimed to have the fastest car in the world. Not the fastest C4; Not the fastest C4 with a Gen I engine; and not even the fastest Crossfire. I think my Crossfire runs well for such a minimal cost. The converter, alone, represents more than half my investment in performance. That is my opinion. You, and anyone else, are free to disagree. Just don't put words in my mouth and accuse me of saying what I haven't.

RACE ON!!!

 

Oh ok I get it

 

ADS made a chip for the 84, that is what I have. I have an artical from Vette magazine from the mid 90s, they added chip, stat, K&N, pulleys, dynomax mufflers(article called "fame and fortune for under $500") and went from a 15.2 to a 14.5 1/4 mile, they forgot to mention that they put in roller rockers in a previous issue. A later issue they added headers and ultra flo dynomax mufflers and went 14.1.

 

I own both the 84 and 85 vettes. I'm interested in porting the 84 intake manifold, and then racing the two vettes to see what happens. One problem, I need detailed instructions on removing the intake and porting it and reinstalling. Any help would be great. I would like to do this before I tear apart my 85 engine and install cam vortec heads and a superram, thanks in advance.

 

ok, so you say people put words into your mouth. perhaps youd like to show me where you mentioned its the "long block" thats stock, and not the entire car (with only a ported manifold) in the following post by you:

again, at the start of every post, even after weve had this "stock" discussion several times, you begin by saying how your car is completely stock save for the ported intake. its only after someone questions your claim that you come clean and admit its got a bit more than just a ported intake. but if no one mentiones anything about it, you wont reveal anything else but the manifold work.

Question: why are you reluctant to list any of your other mods UNTIL someone calls you out about the 13.8 not jiving with your "ported manifold only" claim? you do this in EVERY crossfire post ive looked at


does it? i remember you saying on several occasions how your "stock" crossifre has never been beaten by a stock or near stock TPI car. heres your quote in case you forgot:
so i posted my old times with my old car (that had less mods than yours) so youd have proof that stock - mild bolton TPI cars can run your "stock" crossfire down. you werent thinking that just because you got lucky with the small population of TPI cars at your track that they ALL must be that slow were you?!?


i agree 100%. i think your car runs really well, in fact at one point i wanted to purchase a 84', except i was going to take what you had done a step further and bolton everything offered for the car without touching the internals and see how fast it could go. but since you Xfire guys have been completely poo-pooing early TPI cars as sloths, i think id like to do one of those instead

 

go to the tech section here for porting


http://www.crossfire.homeip.

 

I trust this statement is directed towards a single individual and not XFire owners in general. I personally don't poo-poo other Vettes. Each have their own strengths plus a Vette is a Vette as far as I am concnered. We should be driving them, enjoying them etc.

I did not know the first thing about Corvettes when I got my 84 and I have learned a bunch in the past 4 years with the help of this forum and others. I am still on the hunt for a 12 flat 1/4 mile ET (present best is 12.95 @ 108). It may take me another 4 years to do so but I will. It is an experiement but I am going where not many are willing to tread. One of the largest obstacles is the bad rap XFire equipped vehicles get. Talk about who is poo-poo'ing who.... let's not go there. For the record, do I disagree with some of the things CFI has stated well yes I do but he is entitled to his opinion. All I can say is we agree to disagree on some points about XFires which is ok. I base my thoughts on my experience and that of my customers who also are XFire owners. A debate is healthy but lets stay away from making it personal.

 

That quote of me isn't even a complete sentence. I any case, it is out of context, and we can't see what I said before or after. Have I EVER failed to make the distinction of it being the long block, only, that is all stock rather than the whole car? Probably. That has never been my claim, but I can't swear that I never forgot, and neglected to qualify the statement as applying only to the long block.



I covered that above.



You have a selective memory or uncanny luck in looking at my posts. As well as you know all my modifications, I'll have to go with the former, not the latter.



If you and I have raced each other, and you beat me, I forget it. If that is the case, then I stand corrected. Otherwise, my comment stands.



Now THAT is funny. Is the shoe finally on the other foot?

RACE ON!!!

 

So I guess you're NOT going to take me up on my offer to drive from Tucson to Phoenix and race your 84CF huh, even though I'll pay for your racing. Well, I didn't think so FWIW, but I did offer you the chance to prove your claims.

You know they have a saying...Either put up or shut up.

Oh BTW...sorry to the original poster for the "ROAST" HiJack

 

Bucaneer, how about YOU drive up here, I'll pay for your track costs, and run your car against CFI at this track? Not so appealing now, is it? Take a whole weekend, cost of gas, driving at least 8 hours each way, lodging, food....just to show some bull-headed nay-sayer what you already know? I wouldn't accept that lame-assed "challenge".

The above offer stands though, I WILL pay for your track costs if you feel like driving up here to run against CFI, and see what his car does run.

FYI, I run at the same track as CFI, and I don't see that he has lied about anything. He may have left something out in THIS particular thread, but everyone here clearly knows him and his car. Arguing that he said "My CFI, stock other than the ported intake manifold" when he was talking about his ENGINE, rather than the whole car is really getting a little petty.

And FWIW, I DO think that it's possible to get a CFI car into the 13's w/ported intake and "free mods" ONLY. Why? Because I ran 14.5 w/a @ 95 with a 305 CFI Trans Am with only "free mods" and TES exhaust. Mods to the CAR included swapping the 700 to a BW T5.

 

The genius thinks I live in Tucson. He can't read my location that is posted below the avatar in every post I have ever made, but he remembers the picture in my seldom displayed signature that was taken at Southwestern Raceways, at the NHRA Division 7 Bracket Finals, in 2003. If he were as serious as he pretends to be, he would have driven down to Tucson and have been looking for me by now.

RACE ON!!!

 

 

Whoa...you're right! I re-read his last post and caught this:
Now, I know for sure CFI, that you aren't driving from Tucson, to Rocky Mountain Raceway every Friday & Saturday night.

 

Well, I have "Never" made "ANY" claims as to how fast my 82 is like some other people in a bragging or misleading way...I know how fast mine is on the track. The only claim that I have ever made that I know of or can remember is that it is a 383. I would love to drive to Utah and race, but like you said...its a bit far to go when I only live 12 miles from Firebird.

I never saw that he was from Utah and I did see the track pic. So, I guess I'm human and made a mistake and now I'll own up to that and say "My Bad"...I can do that without any problems or cares...and No I'm not a Genius, but thanks just the same. Maybe someday I can reach your level.

 

 

Although I have learned, never to say never, I doubt you will find where I have made any claims different than the same type you have. I know know fast mine is on the track, too, and I have posted that. I know who and what I have beaten. I have named some of them. I have tried to be forthcoming as to my modifications. I must not have done too bad a job of revealing them, because they have all, plus a bonus, been posted here by others. I can't swear that I never failed, but it has never been my intention to say that any part of my car was all stock, with the except of the long block, even though most of it is.

In a previous post I said, "I have never claimed to have the fastest car in the world. Not the fastest C4; Not the fastest C4 with a Gen I engine; and not even the fastest Crossfire. I think my Crossfire runs well for such a minimal cost.". And after looking at your profile, "383ci Crossfire, 8746 ECM, Ostrich, EBL, Dart Pro1, XRam, 2" TBs, XFI cam, 1.6 Magnum Pro RR and many more extras" I doubt I can beat your car. Hell! I don't even know what some of that stuff is.

RACE ON!!!

 

well, my 84 crossfire was fast as s@#$! i just didnt know how to work on it, so i went another route. "RACE ON CFI"