ACCELERATION: Vette vs Jet Aircraft
Le Mans Master
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From: Austin TX
Originally Posted by MK 82
I must have missed the post where anyone suggested that you did.
Really? Like I said, we do NOT set any power "all at once", it's a step to 1.05 epr, then the throttles are set to whatever power setting is commanded. The FADEC's control them at that point. What are you finding confusing about this?
Melting Slicks
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From: Palm Beach
Why are we both wasting time on this thread?
Le Mans Master
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From: Austin TX
Where is your dog in this fight? I have no confusion. You are confusing the issue. The power is set in one movement at the start of the roll. Not some now and some later. We both know it takes awhile to spool up. I was responding to the post that implied that power was increased at some point during the roll. I was an Airbus Captain for 10 years. Who are you trying to educate? I have 25 years flying jets (airliners and fighters). How many do you have?
Why are we both wasting time on this thread?
Why are we both wasting time on this thread?
Melting Slicks
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From: Palm Beach
You win!! You cannot see that we are talking about the same thing. Enjoy your right seat.
Le Mans Master
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From: Austin TX
You're the one that tried to take issue with what I was saying, now you are saying we're talking about the same thing. Are you getting senile?
Enjoy your retirement and your passenger seat.
Hey, are you one of those ex-AAA east based had to retire from the right seat guys? No wonder you're so angry.
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Melting Slicks
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10,000 hrs in how many years? Why do you feel the need to make this personal.
I am going to take one last stab and then you can have the last insult.
This thread was originally about drag races between jets and a Vette.
Someone implied that power was increased at some point on the takeoff roll. You have gone to great lengths to educate us all on how your airline flies their jets. Takeoff power (be it reduced thrust or not) is set in one operation.
At American, we stand the throttles up to approximately the same power setting as you and check gauges. If all is well, the autothrottles are engaged and the commanded setting is set by the system. This is confirmed and the Captain takes the throttles until V1.
This is one movement. There is no further adjusting of the throttles upward at some point during the roll. We both know that.
That is what I called the BS flag on. You then stepped in to educate us all.
Yes I am retired. My money is in the bank. I have done and seen things you will only dream of. Over to you.
P.S. Mods, I am done with this. Sorry for the hijack.
I am going to take one last stab and then you can have the last insult.
This thread was originally about drag races between jets and a Vette.
Someone implied that power was increased at some point on the takeoff roll. You have gone to great lengths to educate us all on how your airline flies their jets. Takeoff power (be it reduced thrust or not) is set in one operation.
At American, we stand the throttles up to approximately the same power setting as you and check gauges. If all is well, the autothrottles are engaged and the commanded setting is set by the system. This is confirmed and the Captain takes the throttles until V1.
This is one movement. There is no further adjusting of the throttles upward at some point during the roll. We both know that.
That is what I called the BS flag on. You then stepped in to educate us all.
Yes I am retired. My money is in the bank. I have done and seen things you will only dream of. Over to you.
P.S. Mods, I am done with this. Sorry for the hijack.
Le Mans Master
Joined: Aug 2008
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From: Austin TX
10,000 hrs in how many years? Why do you feel the need to make this personal.
I am going to take one last stab and then you can have the last insult.
This thread was originally about drag races between jets and a Vette.
Someone implied that power was increased at some point on the takeoff roll. You have gone to great lengths to educate us all on how your airline flies their jets. Takeoff power (be it reduced thrust or not) is set in one operation.
At American, we stand the throttles up to approximately the same power setting as you and check gauges. If all is well, the autothrottles are engaged and the commanded setting is set by the system. This is confirmed and the Captain takes the throttles until V1.
This is one movement. There is no further adjusting of the throttles upward at some point during the roll. We both know that.
That is what I called the BS flag on. You then stepped in to educate us all.
Yes I am retired. My money is in the bank. I have done and seen things you will only dream of. Over to you.
P.S. Mods, I am done with this. Sorry for the hijack.
I am going to take one last stab and then you can have the last insult.
This thread was originally about drag races between jets and a Vette.
Someone implied that power was increased at some point on the takeoff roll. You have gone to great lengths to educate us all on how your airline flies their jets. Takeoff power (be it reduced thrust or not) is set in one operation.
At American, we stand the throttles up to approximately the same power setting as you and check gauges. If all is well, the autothrottles are engaged and the commanded setting is set by the system. This is confirmed and the Captain takes the throttles until V1.
This is one movement. There is no further adjusting of the throttles upward at some point during the roll. We both know that.
That is what I called the BS flag on. You then stepped in to educate us all.
Yes I am retired. My money is in the bank. I have done and seen things you will only dream of. Over to you.
P.S. Mods, I am done with this. Sorry for the hijack.
Funny, you speak of "autothrottles" when Airbus uses the term "autothrust". Autothrottles is a Boeing term, you actually set power, as you described, hit the botton and actually watch the throttle handles move to the selected power.
On the Airbus there is no such system, you bring the power up as I described and then select the detent, there is no throttle handle movement after it is set by the pilot. Fly by wire aircraft don't do this. Hence, the term "autothrust".
Maybe it was different on those ancient AB 300s or 310's. We fly more modern Airbuses.
Maybe you have seen more than me at AA, but we've never crashed a plane or killed a passenger, so I'll let you have that win.
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Too bad, I missed the original video that demonic posted.
Demonic, please look for it in on your computer in one of the temporary Internet Files folders. It might still be there. Look for a .flv extension file, If you find it, copy it to another folder and and let us know. I can help you post it on my site or even on u toob again.
To both pilots, you guys lost me waaaaaay back about 2 posts ago. I'm glad that you both are highly educated and just hope the rest of airline pilots are as savvy. Makes me feel better flying commercial!
BTW, Which one of you guys has the better vette :-) ????
Demonic, please look for it in on your computer in one of the temporary Internet Files folders. It might still be there. Look for a .flv extension file, If you find it, copy it to another folder and and let us know. I can help you post it on my site or even on u toob again.
To both pilots, you guys lost me waaaaaay back about 2 posts ago. I'm glad that you both are highly educated and just hope the rest of airline pilots are as savvy. Makes me feel better flying commercial!
BTW, Which one of you guys has the better vette :-) ????
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