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Old Jan 7, 2008 | 06:48 PM
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Anyone who has dealt with this or may have an idea please post.

Background: An 85' 4+3 with 62,000 original miles. I have owned it for only 2000 of the miles. The car is bone stock other than a new exhaust with no catallytic converters on it.

The PROBLEM: At idle I BELIEVE I'm getting spark knock and I'm not sure where the problem lies or how to change it.

What I've Done So Far: Changed the cap, rotor, plugs, and wires. Checked the timing and it was at 0 degrees TDC. Took a timing light and changed it back to the manufacturers rating of 6 degrees BTDC. Seems to run much better, however, the spark knock still persists.

Any ideas to you Corvette gurus out there?!?!?!? Thanks in advance!

Jim
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Old Jan 7, 2008 | 06:51 PM
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What octane are you running? Also, have you checked for codes?
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Old Jan 7, 2008 | 07:02 PM
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I'm running nothing but premium and have run premium since I've owned the car. Even ran some fuel system cleaner through it.

I have not yet scanned for codes. Wouldn't I be getting a Check Engine Light if something internally was wrong?
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Old Jan 7, 2008 | 07:21 PM
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Failed knock sensor perhaps?
You did disconnect the EST when you set the timing and reconnected right?

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Old Jan 7, 2008 | 07:37 PM
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Failed knock sensor perhaps?
You did disconnect the EST when you set the timing and reconnected right?
Could be knock sensor. Ive never had a knock at idle ,only on acceleration.

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Old Jan 7, 2008 | 07:41 PM
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Well, here's a handful of things to check...

-- Are you over heating any at all?
-- Is the EGR functioning correctly?
-- Is Fuel Pressure good?
-- Are your valve seals good?
-- Have you tried changing gas stations just to see?


I pulled most of that stuff out of my FSM just to give you some suggestions.
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Also, a check engine light won't always show the entire time. You could have it stored in history from a recent drive.
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Originally Posted by evmlarry
What octane are you running? Also, have you checked for codes?
OOOH didn't think of that. Not teaching you to suck eggs but if you don't know stick a paper clip in the top two right hand holes in the ALDL (next to your right knee)switch on the ignition and the ses light should flash 12 three times,thats flash,flash flash.Then it will flash any stored codes.If there are any count them and post them here and we can tell you what the problem may be.
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Originally Posted by corvette85guy
Anyone who has dealt with this or may have an idea please post.

Background: An 85' 4+3 with 62,000 original miles. I have owned it for only 2000 of the miles. The car is bone stock other than a new exhaust with no catallytic converters on it.

The PROBLEM: At idle I BELIEVE I'm getting spark knock and I'm not sure where the problem lies or how to change it.

What I've Done So Far: Changed the cap, rotor, plugs, and wires. Checked the timing and it was at 0 degrees TDC. Took a timing light and changed it back to the manufacturers rating of 6 degrees BTDC. Seems to run much better, however, the spark knock still persists.

Any ideas to you Corvette gurus out there?!?!?!? Thanks in advance!

Jim
I have a 85 w/auto trans also and at idle i have a knock. I thought at first it was a lower end engine knock, but it only doese it at idle. After listing to my engine real close and under the hood i can't realy hear it unless i'm setting in the car or right at the door to get in. I'v been chasing this for awhile now and i think i have narrowed it down to maybe a crack in the flywheel. If you firure it out for sure please let me know, and i will do the same for you. (Mine ONLY KNOCKS AT IDLE)
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Check to make sure the wiring is connected at the knock sensor and knock module. Either of these should throw a code if there is a fault sensed in the circuit.


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Old Jan 8, 2008 | 05:43 AM
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Hi I have also an 85 4+3.
If the timing showed 0 degrees a bell chimed. I had a bad balancer which has loosen from the rubber between inner hub of it and the outer metallring with the timing mark on. If you have the old one check that you have topdead center of 1 cylinder at the 0 mark. If that is wrong you have wrong timing and if the reason for 0 degree before adjusting it was a loose balancer you have now 12 degree timing and thats for shure making knocks. This is of course one reason there are as mentioned above many more
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Old Jan 8, 2008 | 11:46 AM
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YES! YES! That is very good advice, I'v had that same issue happen to me on a 5.0 mustang. I will check mine today.
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Old Jan 8, 2008 | 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by jan-erik
Hi I have also an 85 4+3.
If the timing showed 0 degrees a bell chimed. I had a bad balancer which has loosen from the rubber between inner hub of it and the outer metallring with the timing mark on. If you have the old one check that you have topdead center of 1 cylinder at the 0 mark. If that is wrong you have wrong timing and if the reason for 0 degree before adjusting it was a loose balancer you have now 12 degree timing and thats for shure making knocks. This is of course one reason there are as mentioned above many more
good luck
You are correct that the balancer could be off, but also I have heard of many of these engines at higher mileage have the timing to around 0. I think it is wear in the dist. and gear. Mine is one of them. Mine had 94,000 when I got it and the timing was 2* after TDC. Yes, after. I reset the timing to 6* BTDC and all is well. I recently had the heads off and my timing mark is right.

I don't see how you could get spark knock at idle, but I'm no expert on these systems or computers. I would think the knock retard system would retard the timing if it were spark knock and the knock would go away. Maybe you can get someone with the right setup to check the knock counts while idling?
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