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Old Apr 4, 2008 | 12:45 PM
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Has anyone heard of mixing 1.5 and 1.6 Roller rockers... I'm replacing a bad lifter (all of them actually) on my 91 L98 and figured while I had it apart, I might as well do an affordable upgrade. A friend suggested mixing them, but I've never heard of that. Does it make sense to you guys and why?
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Old Apr 4, 2008 | 12:47 PM
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Yes, i've actually heard some people say its a better setup. I believe the 1.6's go on the exhaust valves.
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Old Apr 4, 2008 | 12:51 PM
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yes, 1.5 on intake and 1.6 on exhaust suits the L98 just fine

its up to you, i'd go ahead and do 1.6 everywhere
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Old Apr 4, 2008 | 01:09 PM
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Does it make sense to you guys and why?
TPIS did the "experiment" on an '85 and found that 1.5s on the exhaust side gave better results than did 1.6s everywhere. The old iron heads had "rotators" on the exhaust valves, not sure if that was part of the issue.

I installed 1.6s around on my '88 with #113 heads with very good results; it would also be the recommended path if you have a '91.
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Originally Posted by vader86
yes, 1.5 on intake and 1.6 on exhaust suits the L98 just fine

its up to you, i'd go ahead and do 1.6 everywhere
I went ahead and did 1.6 all around on mine. I just stayed with self aligning and put in new springs.
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Old Apr 4, 2008 | 02:41 PM
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Thanks guys, there never seems to be a black and white answer to any question! Now, lets say I get the intake off and find out the bad lifter ruined the cam. Will 1.6's affect the performance of an aftermarket cam? And while I'm asking...is there a good cam to use (keeping the stock intake, l/t headers and flowmaster cat-back system) . I'm going to be tackling this project next week hopefully and want to have all the answers before I start.
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TPIS several others make nice cams that will work with 1.6:1RRs and single springs. The 1.6:1 RRs will have the same effect on an aftermarket cam as on the stock cam, i.e. they will increase max lift by ~7% and increase duration at .005" by ~2deg.

If you have the valve cover off you can measure lift at the pushrod in question and compare with lift at another lobe to see if the suspected lobe was flattened by the bad lifter.

What was the failure mode of the faulty lifter??

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Originally Posted by mdlfcrss
Thanks guys, there never seems to be a black and white answer to any question! Now, lets say I get the intake off and find out the bad lifter ruined the cam. Will 1.6's affect the performance of an aftermarket cam? And while I'm asking...is there a good cam to use (keeping the stock intake, l/t headers and flowmaster cat-back system) . I'm going to be tackling this project next week hopefully and want to have all the answers before I start.
Proven cams for your car are TPiS ZZ9 or ZZ-409 if it is a 6 speed, or LPE (Accel) 211. I also like the specs on the Comp Cams 502. Any of these cams will work with 1.6 RR's if you get the right springs. If you can I would replace the cam whether yours is damaged or not. You will get a nice performance boost.
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Originally Posted by 65Z01
TPIS several others make nice cams that will work with 1.6:1RRs and single springs. The 1.6:1 RRs will have the same effect on an aftermarket cam as on the stock cam, i.e. they will increase max lift by ~7% and increase duration at .005" by ~2deg.

If you have the valve cover off you can measure lift at the pushrod in question and compare with lift at another lobe to see if the suspected lobe was flattened by the bad lifter.

What was the failure mode of the faulty lifter??
At idle or normal driving, its quiet as a church mouse. Under a load or over 3k rpm it sounds like my grandmothers old typewriter! I'm only guessing at the lifter, though I'm having a hard time with it as the car only has 24k on it. Maybe non-use took its toll. I haven't even popped the valve cover off yet, but like I said earlier...once I know what the problem is, I want to be ready with an action plan.
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Originally Posted by mdlfcrss
Thanks guys, there never seems to be a black and white answer to any question! Now, lets say I get the intake off and find out the bad lifter ruined the cam.

Will 1.6's affect the performance of an aftermarket cam?

And while I'm asking...is there a good cam to use (keeping the stock intake, l/t headers and flowmaster cat-back system) . I'm going to be tackling this project next week hopefully and want to have all the answers before I start.
Because the components affect each other, so its never black/white.

1.6s enhance lift specs, so yes they affect performance, generally in a positive way. You need not worry about a case where they would hurt rather than help, just buy them.

Keeping stock TPI intake, or even a modified one, go with Accel 211, or TPiS ZZ9.

Once the cam is changed a new custom chip is needed.
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Under a load or over 3k rpm it sounds like my grandmothers old typewriter! I'm only guessing at the lifter
You should be able to hold a piece of rubber tubing to your ear and then touch it to either valve cover to isolate which side.
Then you can pull the cover to see if it's a loose lifter.

Have you checked the injectors to see if one of them is noisy?
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Originally Posted by 65Z01
You should be able to hold a piece of rubber tubing to your ear and then touch it to either valve cover to isolate which side.
Then you can pull the cover to see if it's a loose lifter.

Have you checked the injectors to see if one of them is noisy?
no, I didn't know an injector could make that kind of noise. How can I check? Same way?
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The rubber tube against the ear held to the back of each injector will give you the audable feedback; I just put my finger on the back of the injector connector and feel the vibration.
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I'll throw in the suggestion to also check the rocker clearances, they might need an adjustment. Or you can just accept the fact that your subconscious is telling to mod it, and just pick up the cam, rockers, and have a blast driving it.
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It has been done to maximize the power from individual cylinders based on the manifold design.
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Originally Posted by vetteracer92
I'll throw in the suggestion to also check the rocker clearances, they might need an adjustment. Or you can just accept the fact that your subconscious is telling to mod it, and just pick up the cam, rockers, and have a blast driving it.
i think you may be on to something here....
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