Another Video on spray patterns
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I do not own a vette so I can't really do a ligit test comparing the Bosch and the Lucas. I will send you a set of Design III's Put in the Lucas first and drive the car for 3 weeks. Record mileage performance etc. Then Install the Bosch's and do the same. Report your results to the forum. The injectors will be yours to keep.... I hope you want to do the test for us.
thanks
jon
thanks
jon
That's a great offer -- one that shows a lot of integrity! But, I'm not sure it's a question of whether I want to do the test -- I do. I'm always the type to go for product comparisons! But, it may be several weeks before I could help you out.
To be honest, I've recently been asked to evaluate an intake setup. As a result, I'm having to choose between multiple intakes (and whether to polish/chrome/or leave natural. Plus I'm waiting on a set of Tri-Y headers from CA.)
I'm not sure you'd want to wait for your results. As a married guy, things happen slow in the garage at my house. (I have a lot of ***** in the air.) I feel I'd be a good choice for someone who's thorough/fair. For example, I might want to (or even be forced to) go more than 3 wks to complete my comparison. (TPIs are a pain to swap injectors.) FYI: I'm choosing between a Large-tube style intake, a modified large-tube setup, and a Holley Stealth Ram (for intakes). Plus I'm going to add 1.6 rockers and headers. If I picked the HSR, the injector swap would be easiest. I'm also buying tuning software and getting help from the forum to optimize my tune.
If you'd want to hear the results (on whichever combo I pick) and you're willing to wait for a thorough test, let me know.
Gregg
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Jon,
That's a great offer -- one that shows a lot of integrity! But, I'm not sure it's a question of whether I want to do the test -- I do. I'm always the type to go for product comparisons! But, it may be several weeks before I could help you out.
To be honest, I've recently been asked to evaluate an intake setup. As a result, I'm having to choose between multiple intakes (and whether to polish/chrome/or leave natural. Plus I'm waiting on a set of Tri-Y headers from CA.)
I'm not sure you'd want to wait for your results. As a married guy, things happen slow in the garage at my house. (I have a lot of ***** in the air.) I feel I'd be a good choice for someone who's thorough/fair. For example, I might want to (or even be forced to) go more than 3 wks to complete my comparison. (TPIs are a pain to swap injectors.) FYI: I'm choosing between a Large-tube style intake, a modified large-tube setup, and a Holley Stealth Ram (for intakes). Plus I'm going to add 1.6 rockers and headers. If I picked the HSR, the injector swap would be easiest. I'm also buying tuning software and getting help from the forum to optimize my tune.
If you'd want to hear the results (on whichever combo I pick) and you're willing to wait for a thorough test, let me know.
Gregg
That's a great offer -- one that shows a lot of integrity! But, I'm not sure it's a question of whether I want to do the test -- I do. I'm always the type to go for product comparisons! But, it may be several weeks before I could help you out.
To be honest, I've recently been asked to evaluate an intake setup. As a result, I'm having to choose between multiple intakes (and whether to polish/chrome/or leave natural. Plus I'm waiting on a set of Tri-Y headers from CA.)
I'm not sure you'd want to wait for your results. As a married guy, things happen slow in the garage at my house. (I have a lot of ***** in the air.) I feel I'd be a good choice for someone who's thorough/fair. For example, I might want to (or even be forced to) go more than 3 wks to complete my comparison. (TPIs are a pain to swap injectors.) FYI: I'm choosing between a Large-tube style intake, a modified large-tube setup, and a Holley Stealth Ram (for intakes). Plus I'm going to add 1.6 rockers and headers. If I picked the HSR, the injector swap would be easiest. I'm also buying tuning software and getting help from the forum to optimize my tune.
If you'd want to hear the results (on whichever combo I pick) and you're willing to wait for a thorough test, let me know.
Gregg
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regarding the svo 30s, look what is for sale in parts section.....
does anyone know if they produce a spray pattern like the bosch IIIs, the skinny yellow ones, in the first videos of this thread?
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1991002
does anyone know if they produce a spray pattern like the bosch IIIs, the skinny yellow ones, in the first videos of this thread?
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1991002
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regarding the svo 30s, look what is for sale in parts section.....
does anyone know if they produce a spray pattern like the bosch IIIs, the skinny yellow ones, in the first videos of this thread?
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1991002
does anyone know if they produce a spray pattern like the bosch IIIs, the skinny yellow ones, in the first videos of this thread?
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1991002
Thanks.
Jon - FIC
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wow.........that would be stellar........
also, do you carry the new style red top 3o?
here is a kinda cool link, injector technical drawing
http://media.latemodelrestoration.co...linjectors.pdf
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I will compare in my Jeep first (as indicated in a pm). I think it will help if these injectors are shown to improve mileage in multiple cars. Seems like it would show atomization is part of the key!
BTW: How are these injectors rebuilt? I know they are typically cleaned, but what about the coil that's at the heart of the "on/off switch"?
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Injectors received.... Thanks Jon!!!!!
I will compare in my Jeep first (as indicated in a pm). I think it will help if these injectors are shown to improve mileage in multiple cars. Seems like it would show atomization is part of the key!
BTW: How are these injectors rebuilt? I know they are typically cleaned, but what about the coil that's at the heart of the "on/off switch"?
I will compare in my Jeep first (as indicated in a pm). I think it will help if these injectors are shown to improve mileage in multiple cars. Seems like it would show atomization is part of the key!
BTW: How are these injectors rebuilt? I know they are typically cleaned, but what about the coil that's at the heart of the "on/off switch"?
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Interesting video's, and a little disturbing. What your third video suggests is that the Accel injectors I paid $300.00 for are basically junk. What really sucks is that they were recommended by a respected member of this forum. I guess my only question is, are you sure all Lucas injectors perform like the ones in your test?
Oh well, I guess I'll be replacing injectors again...
Oh well, I guess I'll be replacing injectors again...
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The design 3 Bosch is designed with a sealed coil that is molded over with the phenellic plastic. The coils cannot be serviced. These are not multecs. The multec coil failure is caused by chemicals such as fuel injector additives and the ethanol that is now in our gas breaking down the seal in the injector. The coil gets shorted from this liquid and the Injector fails. Bosch coils seldom ever fail, there is no way that any fluid can get to the coil. Copper lasts forever.
What makes the seals in the Bosch better than the Multecs? How about difference(s) in coil insulation?
Regarding the life of copper, I have "Monster Cable" stereo wire that I purchased 15+ yrs ago. Inside the clear sealed insulation, it has turned black (oxidized) over the years. Wouldn't this be happening in the Bosch coils as well?
How old are the cores?
Gregg
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Interesting video's, and a little disturbing. What your third video suggests is that the Accel injectors I paid $300.00 for are basically junk. What really sucks is that they were recommended by a respected member of this forum. I guess my only question is, are you sure all Lucas injectors perform like the ones in your test?
Oh well, I guess I'll be replacing injectors again...
Oh well, I guess I'll be replacing injectors again...
Gregg
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Interesting video's, and a little disturbing. What your third video suggests is that the Accel injectors I paid $300.00 for are basically junk. What really sucks is that they were recommended by a respected member of this forum. I guess my only question is, are you sure all Lucas injectors perform like the ones in your test?
Oh well, I guess I'll be replacing injectors again...
Oh well, I guess I'll be replacing injectors again...
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Thanks Jon,
What makes the seals in the Bosch better than the Multecs? How about difference(s) in coil insulation?
Regarding the life of copper, I have "Monster Cable" stereo wire that I purchased 15+ yrs ago. Inside the clear sealed insulation, it has turned black (oxidized) over the years. Wouldn't this be happening in the Bosch coils as well?
How old are the cores?
Gregg
What makes the seals in the Bosch better than the Multecs? How about difference(s) in coil insulation?
Regarding the life of copper, I have "Monster Cable" stereo wire that I purchased 15+ yrs ago. Inside the clear sealed insulation, it has turned black (oxidized) over the years. Wouldn't this be happening in the Bosch coils as well?
How old are the cores?
Gregg
