Hey Guys,

Just got back from the track running with my new Hypertech Thermomaster. And boy am I friggin' disappointed!!!! What a piece of crap. My et was down and my time was up. The last time I went to the track I ran a 14.6 this time around I ran a 15.4. I admit the track conditions weren't that great, I lost traction everytime getting making the car go sideways, but this much of a loss in performance. I want my money back. Is it possible? I hope so. Also, the only thing I'm gonig to miss is the improved shifting from 2nd to 3rd. But that was the only improvement. I'm not sure about your rides, but mine dropped a few hundred RPM from 2nd to 3rd which really kinda bugged. But the chip corrected that. In turn slowing my car down significantly.

Just wanted to let everyone know tha hypertech is a joke. As far as I'm concerned that is. :mad :mad :mad :boxing :mad

 

Many have posted over the years that the programming on that chip is not very agressive and does not yeild much performance. The reduction in performance, however seems worse than the chip alone would be responsible for in itself. So I think you have more issues.

 

I thought most of us already established that :D . I don't think the chip alone will cost you 8 tenths. Maybe a slick track coupled with really bad air caused your loss.

 

I found out the hard way that the Hypertech chip was an overpriced fan switch. From what it sounds like here on the Forum, do all your mods and then have a custom chip burned.

 

I went 2 tenths slower with an aftermarket chip also.

I did same day track testing with the stock chip and the aftermarket chip.

The 89 stock chip has gotten me into the high 12's, so I think it is ok.

Vic

 

Hypertech chips stink from what I've heard. The best case is to have a custom burned chip matching your mods. Also, the post '94 cars are programable and don't have "chips". Worth it in these cars but pre 94, skip it. You'd do much better putting your money somewhere else. :cheers:

 

Really hate your experience was'nt good, but on the contrary, my hypertech lll is just what the doctor ordered........really like it :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :D :D :yesnod: :yesnod:

 

Hey Coyte, where do you run? Irwindale? What about manually shifting? If you leave it in 1 then shift up when YOU want, will the chip let you?

 

I have a 96 with a Hypertech.. & it does what I expected... firmer shift, turn on the fan when I want, adjust speedo for 3.73s raised shift points, & it got me .02 quicker..

The original poster admits he was going sideways.. how the H**L can anyone compare.. It was a different day, weather, track condition, he spun, (were his 60' the same) I think if he got the car set up correct so he didn't spin, and tried it on the same day with = track & weather the results might be different..

Sounds like an inexperienced driver (drag racer) in my book..

just my . 02

 

When I read the "sideways off the line" thought the same thing about how could you compare the runs. If the traack conditions were not the same as when you went the first time there is no way you can use this as a comparison. Do what Vic did and swap it out at the track to see if it helps or not. The chip prolly is crap but you need to do a fair testing of it before you say it's junk. :cheers:

 

That was my impression also. Sideways does not equal fast. Maybe the chip is working and now you new problem is getting the fraction of more power to the ground. My Hypertech actually helped me out. I was having the opposite problem, with my mods and my stock chip I was overpowering the car coming out of the lights. However because of the slight retard in ignition on the Hypertech it allowed my car to hook really hard. My stock longblock 86 went a 8.55 in the 1/8 on the hypertech chip and a 8.84 with the stock chip.

 

John, your so right. Some guys spend money and then don't even know how to test new mods. I just guess it's easer to bitch.
Thats why they all run so SLOW. :yesnod:


[Modified by mackeyred96, 12:41 PM 12/16/2001]

 

84 Coyote, do you ever visit the Cross Fire Forum, lots of tuning tips for Cross Fire cars there? Hypertech chip pretty much turns the fans on at lower temps and fatens up the fuel. At Cross Fire forum learn about porting your cross fire intake, boring the throttle bodies out larger, make computer swap to a 7747 computer and chip burning and more
http://www.crossfire.homeip.net:81/cfforum/default.asp



[Modified by HWoods, 10:40 AM 12/16/2001]

 

Same here on my 94. Just my .02 but I have learned from past experience
the stock programming works fine until you start changing things
like heads,cam, discplacement, etc..
Hypertech is actually a great company IMO. I have a friend who had some problems with his HPP+ programmer on his 95 TA. Hypertech not only fixed it, they invited him out to thier facility, since he lives nearby, for some track testing and dyno time free of charge.

 

The Man has spoken :yesnod:

 

Thanks for your .02 red96coupe & mackeyred96, but your comments hurt my feelings. The track conditions were not excellent, in fact far from it. Most of the people there were having trouble hooking, even the beachbum was running .5 slower since he couldn't hook up. There were also a lot of imports dragging water up to the lights after their tire warm up. My 60 fts. were comparitively slower. But its my top end that was suffering. I was 3 mpg slower and my acceleration wasn't as aggressive. I also notice the engine winds up more before it shifts which I feel hinders my top speed. I know that with my car especially, I need every second of acceleration from start to finish, since my top end isn't that strong to begin with.

I'm sorry to be such a sensitive vette owner, but I do what I can with the money I have since I'm going to school. And I feel the hypertech for the 84 is not worth the money. All I know is for $120 I shouldn't loose anything in my times. I plan to get the money back and do something aesthetic. I should have given you guys a little more info instead of letting ya jump to any conclusions. And to be honest I was really looking for support from everyone, not assumptions about my driving skill or experience level at the track. :( I'll catch you guys around.

O, by the way, I was running @ Carlsbad Speedway near Oceanside CA. :chevy :seeya


[Modified by 84Coyote, 4:44 PM 12/16/2001]


[Modified by 84Coyote, 12:58 AM 12/17/2001]

 

84 vette? Forget that tech stuff! Change your rear gears to 3.73s and install a hurst or B&M short throw shifter. Performance you can feel!


[Modified by eamador11, 4:46 PM 12/16/2001]

 

I believe that I had reported an minor loss of performance in my '84, however, your testing proceedure doesn't appear to be very scientific. When I complained to Hypertech about my chip, they said one week to the next was no good. I was told to make back to back runs for a fair test. I run every week and I didn't think back to back runs were necessary to see the advertised two tenths improvement, but I did everything I could to make for a fair test. The consecutive runs pointed out, very clearly, that my car was 0.04-0.06 SLOWER with the Hypertech. I had bought mine from one of the major Corvette after market suppliers. They allowed me to return it since it didn't measure up to the claims.

The ECU does not control ANY transmission functions on an '84. The only item aft of the flywheel that is effected is the torque converter lock up. Shift points, shift feel, rpm drop, etc, changes are sop delusions. A chip change cannot alter these. Also on the '84, the fan is controlled by the temp switch in the head. No ECU control. A chip doesn't alter fan on/off points in any way.

 

84Coyote,

For the most part JP and Mackey are just razzing you... but the lesson here is that whenever you are going to critique a product on the forum is to be sure you have taken all aspects of the testing into account and be sure and let the forum members know that you have taken them into account during your testing procedure such as weather condtions, engine temperature, track conditions, etc.... otherwise you're setting yourself up for deserved razzing.

I have reported many product performance results here on the forum, and virtually everytime I have taken all aspects into account, and if I hadn't, I let the forum members know within the post.

With that being said.... Yesterday the track was extremely slippery due to the recent rain which turned our entrance road into mud, which in turn turned our dragstrip into a dirt road.... my et's were off 2-4 tenths due to the poor 60 foot times. (I ran from 11.70-12.00 on the slicks yesterday)... with all 60 foots from 1.70-1.90 however my traps were pretty good. Thus your 7-8 tenths et loss cannot obviously be blamed on the Hypertech, however, what forum members didn't know with your 1st post was that your trap speeds were down several, which they shouldn't have been considering our weather was very good yesterday with a 1000 foot DA to start out with and it had dropped down to roughly 500 feet by the end of the track session. Thus as compared to your springtime 14.7 pass your trap speed should have been the same and even a bit better yesterday. Thus as I told you yesterday, could be your Hypertech chip, but also could be that you need a tune-up.... but dunno, you would have to pull your hypertech chip out and make several runs based upon how Hypertech instructed you to set-up your motor with their chip. (fuel pressure or timing changes ??), then you would have to go back to the stock chip and experiment.... you could probably come to a pretty good conclusion after a 2 trips to the track testing, and a very good one after 4-5 trips of testing.

As a note, my personal opinion is that maybe the hypertech chip doesn't do much for a close to stock cfi or tpi motor.... as you can see above forum member Vic lost 2 tenths and CFI-EFI lost about a tenth, also ex-forum member 90vette conducted a very accurate test with the chip on his very consistent close to stock 90vette about 2 years ago and he lost between 1-2 tenths..... all 3 of the above racers are experienced racers that seem to have taken all conditions into effect... therefore maybe the chip is not a good modification for a cross fire or TPI motor.

On the flip side, it appears that Mackey and JP like the modification, and they too are very expereinced racers who always pay close attention to the effect of modifications and all variables that could effect the outcome... thus maybe the answer is that Hypertech chips are great for LT-1's and a poor investment for the others.....

In any regards, hope to see you at the track more often, you have a great 84 !!! and next time you come out, bring out both chips and we'll play.

cheers,
Beach Bum

 

84 Coyote..

If you look at your original post, you will see that Beach is right.. I really didn't mean to jump on your case, but in the post it sounded like sour grapes, with no real solid info to back up your claim that the chip is junk..

Beach it it right on.. you have to see if BOTH 60' times are close, then you can make an honest comparison...

Listen to Beach & let him work with you, then I'm SURE you will get the "correct" info on weather the chip is helping or slowing you down..

Good luck... you will get better # one way or another..