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Old Jan 11, 2009 | 09:18 PM
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Need some help, I recently purchased a 1986 C4 that has sat for the last 7 years. I have a whole host of things that I need to fix but the problem at hand is weak breaks. I have bled and replaced the brake fluid. I have clean fluid at each caliper. When you depress the break it is firm but you can hear air inside the car when you depress the pedal. I did not hear anything near the master cylinder though when depressing the brake. I also did not find any vacuum leaks. Any ideas out there?
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Check power booster for leaks or cracks. Check vacuum line to it also.
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Also inspect the check valve on the booster.
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Old Jan 11, 2009 | 09:32 PM
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There was post on this recently on this topic there is a specific bleeding sequence that should be followed.
Helms.........says:
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Old Jan 11, 2009 | 09:33 PM
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I did that but no luck, the large line that attaches to the front top of the power booster could be a little tighter but I dont think its leaking. Is it possible to have the air/vacum leak on the inside of the car?
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I did that but no luck, the large line that attaches to the front top of the power booster could be a little tighter but I dont think its leaking. Is it possible to have the air/vacum leak on the inside of the car?
Not sure. But is there a vacuum line to control heat AC controls inside?
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Old Jan 11, 2009 | 09:40 PM
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I didnt know about the check valve, would you happen to have a picture or an idea on where it is? When I bled the brakes I went from the RR LR RF LF in that sequence.
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Originally Posted by spidelta
I didnt know about the check valve, would you happen to have a picture or an idea on where it is? When I bled the brakes I went from the RR LR RF LF in that sequence.
That's old school...longest runs first....that is how I used to do them on non ABS applications too. The factory service manual recommends:

RF
RR
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LF

A little brake booster woosh is normal inside with heavy/quick pedal pressure. Is the pedal really hard to depress and the car won't slow quickly?
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Rodger, looks like I need to bleed them again. The answer is no and yes. The pedal feels fine when you depress it but the car does not slow very quickly.
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One other thing. Make sure you do NOT use silicone brake fluid in your brake system. If your pedal is very firm and hard to push, you do have a master cylinder beginning to go bad.
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Originally Posted by l98tpi
If your pedal is very firm and hard to push, you do have a master cylinder beginning to go bad.
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I used Dot 4 fluid but the pedal isnt difficult to push. If I compare the feel to other cars that I have and have driven it is about the same. The only difference is how poorly the car wants to stop. I am leaning twards something wrong with the booster. I will look at the check valve first and see if it is working. Do the boosters themselves go bad very often?
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Originally Posted by spidelta
I used Dot 4 fluid but the pedal isnt difficult to push. If I compare the feel to other cars that I have and have driven it is about the same. The only difference is how poorly the car wants to stop. I am leaning twards something wrong with the booster. I will look at the check valve first and see if it is working. Do the boosters themselves go bad very often?
I had a bad booster about 5 years back in my '89 had to do the ol' pull on the steering wheel routine to get the car to stop...changed it no more problems. I think your going to want to put type 3 fluid in there instead of the 4.
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Old Jan 11, 2009 | 10:23 PM
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Ok the guy at Auto Zone had reccomended it. Probably becuse it cost more. I will check eBay for a booster. Thanks for your advice and help
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Originally Posted by spidelta
I used Dot 4 fluid but the pedal isnt difficult to push. If I compare the feel to other cars that I have and have driven it is about the same. The only difference is how poorly the car wants to stop. I am leaning twards something wrong with the booster. I will look at the check valve first and see if it is working. Do the boosters themselves go bad very often?
Okay, if your pedal doesn't feel difficult to push or spongey or anything else out of the ordinary, then your problem is more than likely your brake pads. There are different grades of brakes pads out there. Try a more aggressive pad and see how the brakes feel. It wouldn't hurt to go ahead and put new rotors on as well, since the car has sat for so long.
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a link for you........

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c4-t...n-finally.html

...this deals with a few problems in addition to what the original poster posted about...
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Originally Posted by spidelta
I didnt know about the check valve, would you happen to have a picture or an idea on where it is? When I bled the brakes I went from the RR LR RF LF in that sequence.
The check valve is the little plastic doohickey on the booster that the vacuum line attaches to. It just pushes into a grommet on the booster. They only cost a few bucks to replace if they go bad.
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Thanks for the tip. I will remove it and take a look. Tom
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