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Old Sep 14, 2009 | 08:07 PM
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Hello Corvette family,

quick question. I have to replace a knock sensor on my 93 LT-1. I just had the coolant flushed and replaced less than a couple of months ago, so I won't need to do a complete drain (i don't think).

About how much coolant will exit the block when I take out the knock sensor? I just want to be able to refill it back to proper levels.

I do have a brand new pan that I could drain into, but I was thinking it may get contaminated coming out of the hole and I might not want to place it back into the system.

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I would guess somewhere in the neighborhood of a gallon. Since it's fairly fresh, just strain it through some cheese-cloth to remove any particles.

I had to get an oil drain-plug replaced on one of my cars a while back, and the oil change shop did a trick with a shop vac, holding the vacuum over the oil fill hole while they swapped the plug, and hardly any oil was lost. Maybe search around and see if a similar trick would work with the coolant.
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A gallon sounds about right. Don't bother with trying to save it as the amount you need to replace won't cost a lot, maybe $10. Unless you have a way to get the car up ona lift, it's going to be somewhat messy. Don't remove the pressure cap; that will help to hold some of the coolant back.

You should do the work when the engine is cold. Once the coolant stops draining, clean the threads in the block and remember to apply an anti-seize compound to the sensor threads before installing.

You will need to open the bleed valves when you begin to refill the coolant through the expansion tank. Add a 50-50 mix of green coolant and distilled water into the expansion tank. Once coolant comes out of the bleed valves, close them. Then with the tank filled, start the engine and let it idle. When the coolant level drops, keep filling until the coolant level stays just below the filler neck.

Keep an eye on the coolant temp; if it gets to 240 or so, stop the engine, let it cool some and start again. Replace the pressure cap and you should be good to go.
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Old Sep 14, 2009 | 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by c4cruiser
A gallon sounds about right. Don't bother with trying to save it as the amount you need to replace won't cost a lot, maybe $10. Unless you have a way to get the car up ona lift, it's going to be somewhat messy. Don't remove the pressure cap; that will help to hold some of the coolant back.

You should do the work when the engine is cold. Once the coolant stops draining, clean the threads in the block and remember to apply an anti-seize compound to the sensor threads before installing.

You will need to open the bleed valves when you begin to refill the coolant through the expansion tank. Add a 50-50 mix of green coolant and distilled water into the expansion tank. Once coolant comes out of the bleed valves, close them. Then with the tank filled, start the engine and let it idle. When the coolant level drops, keep filling until the coolant level stays just below the filler neck.

Keep an eye on the coolant temp; if it gets to 240 or so, stop the engine, let it cool some and start again. Replace the pressure cap and you should be good to go.
Thanks guys,

The sensor already has the coating on the threads, it's been mentioned before that adding another compound could make the sensor operate incorrectly.

BTW, Where are the bleed valves located? I did buy a gallon of antifreeze so I'm good there.

Thanks again.
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A gallon?All the coolant in the block,heads and what will drain back thru the lower radiator hose is going to run out. The knock sensor is just about the lowest point in the system. In fact, removing the knock sensor is a recommended method of completely draining the block. I suggest you be ready for more than a gallon. Can you reuse what comes out, yes you can. Filter it thru a coffee filter. A filter in a funnel works like a charm.
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Originally Posted by Muffin
A gallon?All the coolant in the block,heads and what will drain back thru the lower radiator hose is going to run out. The knock sensor is just about the lowest point in the system. In fact, removing the knock sensor is a recommended method of completely draining the block. I suggest you be ready for more than a gallon. Can you reuse what comes out, yes you can. Filter it thru a coffee filter. A filter in a funnel works like a charm.
been there, done that.
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Originally Posted by Muffin
A gallon?All the coolant in the block,heads and what will drain back thru the lower radiator hose is going to run out. The knock sensor is just about the lowest point in the system. In fact, removing the knock sensor is a recommended method of completely draining the block. I suggest you be ready for more than a gallon. Can you reuse what comes out, yes you can. Filter it thru a coffee filter. A filter in a funnel works like a charm.
That is a possibility - I've only pulled my knock sensors after having already drained the radiator.
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Originally Posted by Muffin
In fact, removing the knock sensor is a recommended method of completely draining the block.

There have been others who have pulled the KC to drain block only to have nothing come out because the hole was full of c*#p Have had to punch hole clear with a screwdriver.
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Can anyone point me to the bleed valves? I think I see one on the thermostat housing, but apparently there are two.

Thanks, again.
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If you remove your thermostat and have access to a 5.0 hp or higher Shop-vac, you can use its reverse thrust feature to BLOW all the coolant from the system, including the heater core. Works in minutes and saves you a lot of time by not having to remove the knock sensors.
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When I changed a knock sensor, I didn't lose even a half a pint. I just had the new one ready to screw in as I removed the old one.

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Originally Posted by onedef92
If you remove your thermostat and have access to a 5.0 hp or higher Shop-vac, you can use its reverse thrust feature to BLOW all the coolant from the system, including the heater core. Works in minutes and saves you a lot of time by not having to remove the knock sensors.
good tip, however, I am replacing a knock sensor, which is the reason for the partial drain. All I need to know now is where the bleed valves are.

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When I changed a knock sensor, I didn't lose even a half a pint. I just had the new one ready to screw in as I removed the old one.

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Good idea. No need to take a lunch break waiting for all the coolant to exit.
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Originally Posted by JAKE
When I changed a knock sensor, I didn't lose even a half a pint. I just had the new one ready to screw in as I removed the old one.

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Yep, I think this is the way I'll approach it. Thanks.
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Ok folks, I finally got under the car to tackle this and I had the new sensor ready to go when I pulled the old one. I may have lost a pint of fluid at the most, maybe even half that. I just want to thank everyone for their help.

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