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Old Sep 21, 2009 | 10:59 PM
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im looking to up the cubes on my 85 l98, and im a go big or go home type of guy. i want to try something like this... http://www.summitracing.com/parts/SC...I/?image=large . i know that this is going to require alot of work, but can anyone tell me what else ill probably need to replace, and/or if this block can even take the kind of power that will produce.
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Old Sep 21, 2009 | 11:28 PM
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I believe your block is a 2 bolt main. You may want a 4 bolt main for the kind of hp you're going after.
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Old Sep 22, 2009 | 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by 85withakick
i want to try something like this.... i know that this is going to require alot of work, but can anyone tell me what else ill probably need to replace, and/or if this block can even take the kind of power that will produce.
395 is the common max for 350 block

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/SCA-1-40900BI/
but relatively expensive and requires more grinding work on the block for clearance which is why everybody builds 383's
A 383 can be built for $300 more than rebuilding a 350.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/SCA-1-40610-1/

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Old Sep 22, 2009 | 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by 85withakick
im looking to up the cubes on my 85 l98, and im a go big or go home type of guy. i want to try something like this... http://www.summitracing.com/parts/SC...I/?image=large . i know that this is going to require alot of work, but can anyone tell me what else ill probably need to replace, and/or if this block can even take the kind of power that will produce.
For the price to have the block preped, you should just get a after market block. You would not need to machine for the stroke, check around.
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Old Sep 22, 2009 | 09:22 AM
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You can make a 421, but the rod journals get really narrow.
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Old Sep 22, 2009 | 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by BrianCunningham
You can make a 421, but the rod journals get really narrow.
????? Huh?

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Old Sep 22, 2009 | 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by BrianCunningham
You can make a 421, but the rod journals get really narrow.
I agree with CFI-EFI, HUH??? Do not drink and post...



I run a 408 (4" stroke), and have built multiple 421s (4.125" stroke) in the factory blocks. And while it can be done, it requires higher end rods (i.e. Oliver's, my preference), which really places these builds out of most people's budgets.

Most would be satisfied with a nice 383 build...
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Old Sep 22, 2009 | 05:16 PM
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may also be going with the eagle 395 kit. i have a 4 bolt block for that. i wouldnt put it in my stock 2 bolt. i feel better about the 4 bolt and am trying for 480-500hp.
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Originally Posted by AKS Racing
I agree with CFI-EFI, HUH??? Do not drink and post...
What drink and post??

The only 421 I've seen make the stroke longer by using small offset rod journals. If you know a place that can supply a crank for that kind of stroke please be my guest and list it.
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What drink and post??

The only 421 I've seen make the stroke longer by using small offset rod journals. If you know a place that can supply a crank for that kind of stroke please be my guest and list it.
What do you mean by "using small offset rod journals"? Are you saying that the rod journals aren't concentric with the crank journals? Are the rod journals not "offset" from the main on any crank? How does the stroke change the width of the rod journal?

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Old Sep 22, 2009 | 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by CFI-EFI
What do you mean by "using small offset rod journals"? Are you saying that the rod journals aren't concentric with the crank journals? Are the rod journals not "offset" from the main on any crank? How does the stroke change the width of the rod journal?

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I think he means like this, to give you a little more stroke when maxed out.


remove material from the bottom of the cranks rod journal, keeping the journal round, thus making a smaller diameter crank journal, and needing a smaller rod journal to make up the difference.
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Old Sep 22, 2009 | 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by bill mcdonald
I think he means like this, to give you a little more stroke when maxed out.
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Called offset grinding
I have read the Winston cup guys use honda 1.88 journals on custom billet cranks but they are a short stoke engine
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thank you
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Old Sep 22, 2009 | 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by BrianCunningham
What drink and post??

The only 421 I've seen make the stroke longer by using small offset rod journals. If you know a place that can supply a crank for that kind of stroke please be my guest and list it.
Numerous crank manufacturers make 4.000" and 4.125" stroke SBC cranks (the ones I have used are custom, not off the shelf).

As to your original comment, I think it would have been easier to understand if it was stated as the journal diameter begins to become quite small (vs the rod journals getting narrow).

I was just funning with ya!
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You can use a 4.00" stroke X 4.030" bore and make a 408.2 or 409 ( NHRA rules) depending on how you want to look at it. I have done several along with Aaron (AKS Racing). The geometry is the same as a 434. It is a proven engine combo, but you should use good parts (expensive). It all depends on how much money you want to throw at it. 383's can be built for dirt cheap.

A 4.125" stroke is a whole different deal.
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Old Sep 23, 2009 | 02:10 AM
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Why not buy a Dart SHP block and go 415-454cid.

Go big type of guy right?
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Originally Posted by USAsOnlyWay
Why not buy a Dart SHP block and go 415-454cid.

Go big type of guy right?
now i have been told by some knowledgeable people that a 454 size engine will not fit in my car due to engine bay constraints, is that true, or is that dart block different, or are they just blowing smoke up my ***?
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Originally Posted by 85withakick
now i have been told by some knowledgeable people that a 454 size engine will not fit in my car due to engine bay constraints, is that true, or is that dart block different, or are they just blowing smoke up my ***?
Your friends probably think you are talikng about a big block 454.. TPI 421 Vette and AKS both have bigger inch sbc's in their cars. TPI 421 vette is a 450 c.i. (if I recall correctly). The aftermarket blocks (sbc) are capable of big c.i. and will fit the standard motor mount locations. As everyone has said the parts list will be pricey. If you're willing to go that far you may want to consider a complete custom instal. Then the sky would be the limit.....a basic 572 bbc, or maybe a Sonny Leonard 980 c.i. or ??

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Originally Posted by 85withakick
now i have been told by some knowledgeable people that a 454 size engine will not fit in my car due to engine bay constraints, is that true, or is that dart block different, or are they just blowing smoke up my ***?
This 454 will

http://www.speedwaymotors.com/World-...gine,8736.html

http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/e...ine/index.html
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Old Sep 23, 2009 | 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by mseven
If you're willing to go that far you may want to consider a complete custom install. Then the sky would be the limit.....a basic 572 bbc, or maybe a Sonny Leonard 980 c.i. or ??
im looking for something slightly more streetable than a 2100 hp 89000 dollar engine, but thanks for giving me something else to drool abt
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