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Old Nov 2, 2009 | 01:52 PM
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Might be a good system for a boat but thats it.
And there it is folks. The "final word" from a real professional. Nice one, Jeff. I notice that you STILL haven't answered any of my questions.

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It runs just fine with a 305 tune and injectors. Only changes to the fuel system were a TPI fuel pump & instead of running at base 0degrees timing was set at 6degrees base.
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And there it is folks. The "final word" from a real professional. Nice one, Jeff. I notice that you STILL haven't answered any of my questions.

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he konws what he is talking about.. he is using an air foil for its looks..
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Originally Posted by jeffp1167
It runs just fine with a 305 tune and injectors. Only changes to the fuel system were a TPI fuel pump & instead of running at base 0degrees timing was set at 6degrees base.
My 400 "ran fine" too. Take it to a track or dyno. You currently don't know what you're talking about, unfortunately, and your car doesn't run as good as you think it does. How could it? Apply logic, reason, and knowledge of engine operation and it's obvious, why there is no way, that motor runs as well as you think it does. You claim to be making well over 200hp with calibrations for 170hp. Pipe dream.

Your "TPI pump" didn't do a thing for you, unless your original pump was failing. The timing did as much for you as the same timing adjustment of the '82 'Vette would do -a lot.

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he konws what he is talking about.. he is using an air foil for its looks..
ROTFLMAO!!! That was awesome.
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Originally Posted by pr0zac
not true.. i just had mine calibrated
I stand corrected then...

Do I dare ask just how you calibrated the ole SOTP dyno?
Old Nov 2, 2009 | 02:25 PM
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Keep grinding. You will be finished when you are satisfied you have done enough. I never was convinced I had done enough, but at some point, it pays to stop and test it. I don't dare touch it. I thought my test results were more than could be reasonably expected. I picked up better than a half (closer to 2/3s) of a second in the 1/4 mile.

Some people that are really into cars, dig them for their mechanical wonder and want to know what makes them tick. Inquisitive minds what to know "How". Once they believe they have a handle on the "How" they are better equipped to improve on any aspect they deem could benefit. And with the understand of how it works it is easier to make it work better. That applies to any aspect of operation; power, performance, handling, economy, any trait or characteristic you care to name. To have improvements buy purchasing them is one thing, but without the aficionado, the tinkerer, the true hobbyist, there would be nothing to buy. Because there is little commercial opportunity to exploit due to low production numbers, the person that doesn't care to know, only buy, will have a hard time getting a Crossfire that is much better than stock. For some, if you can't buy it, it can't be had. For others that is the starting point; the challenge. I have long said that because of the lack of readily available "cookie cutter" prefab aftermarket parts, that the Crossfire was a "thinking man's" car. If one is not properly equipped, stay away.


Of course everyone is entitled to his facts. But some of the opinions expressed are faulty and without basis.



Originally Posted by jeffp1167
my opinion is factual.
And now for his next trick... Mr. jeffp1167 will walk on water.

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Originally Posted by qws
I stand corrected then...

Do I dare ask just how you calibrated the ole SOTP dyno?
its probably better if you didn't know..lol
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Old Nov 2, 2009 | 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom400CFI
To make more power, you need more air (supplied by the intake -according to you) and also fuel. Adding only air, won't get you more power. How, with the stock 305 TBI ECM and 305 injectors (calibrated to make 170hp on a 305) are you making over 200 hp; the amount the 'Vette makes....in order to "walk all over" the 'Vette?

Your claims remind me of a time when I had a similar experience as what you're claiming, so bear with me here:
I installed a SBC400 into an F-body, w/no other changes. When done, the car felt "mad" compared to before. Even my GF said that "It gives me whiplash"...much to my delight. At that time, I would have told anyone, that it would "walk all over" it's previous form. Then I took it to the track. It ran .5 to 1 second SLOWER than it had previously. Why? Not enough fuel. Not dialed in, at all. But it FELT, bad assed, that's for sure. The old SOTP meter, just don't work, buddy. You need to present real, objective data.

Later, I tuned in the engine, and while it didn't FEEL significantly faster, it ran 1.5-2 seconds faster in the 1/4.
so you datalogged and custom burned a chip for the stock ecm?
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Originally Posted by jeffp1167
so you datalogged and custom burned a chip for the stock ecm?
would you just stfu up and drop it.. grow up. you have been proved wrong by facts.. jump in a lake. nobody cares about your opinion cause you can't back it up with any evidence.
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Originally Posted by pr0zac
its probably better if you didn't know..lol


Just noticed your from Rhinebeck?
I'm up in Albany
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To the OP,
Nice job on the porting, if I had to do it all over again I would've ported mine rather than buy the Xram. (no longer available). And gains would have been either equal or better....
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yes i am from there originally, i am currently living in myrtle beach, sc.. my brother lives in waterford. there is a ton of vettes up in your area.
Old Nov 2, 2009 | 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom400CFI
To the OP; that last pic is looking good. Keep in mind, that you need to do that same thing, all the way through the runner. You need some long cutting bits to be able to reach all teh way through.
Where can I find the long cutting bits. I will search, but if someone has a source I'd gladly accept the assistance.

I got some bad news today, I was going to take the ol' '84 and put her on a dyno before I did my winter mods but when I called the shop they informed me that they sold their dyno! oh man I'm bummed, I really wanted to have some empirical data on what kind of performance increase I'll see. I'm not giving up I guess I'll have to take a road trip to find a shop, oh well gotta do it because I know my SOTP dyno has never been calibrated

Again, thanks for the help, very much appreciated!
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Where can I find the long cutting bits. I will search, but if someone has a source I'd gladly accept the assistance.

I got some bad news today, I was going to take the ol' '84 and put her on a dyno before I did my winter mods but when I called the shop they informed me that they sold their dyno! oh man I'm bummed, I really wanted to have some empirical data on what kind of performance increase I'll see. I'm not giving up I guess I'll have to take a road trip to find a shop, oh well gotta do it because I know my SOTP dyno has never been calibrated

Again, thanks for the help, very much appreciated!
summit or jegs has them. might check home depot or maybe harbor freight too..
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Thanks, pr0zac, I'll check 'em out.
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Originally Posted by jeffp1167
so you datalogged and custom burned a chip for the stock ecm?
No, and no. Did you read my earlier posts? "Stock ECM and chip". Not sure if I should waste my time explaining what I DID do. Should I? If you're genuinely interested, I'll talk about it. If you are only interested in arguing, I'm not.

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Originally Posted by CFI-EFI
That is all pretty much true. You may have needlessly avoided one due to all the false, negative, publicity. Maybe not. I have had a lot of fun with mine. I love doing what some say, can't be done.

"well I just hope it is as much as a difference is every one says, not that you are being built up for like 30 hp increase of something and you can't tell in the end."

I can't vouch for everyone's claims. In fact, no one's claims, but my own. I may have realized some gains that others haven't. I documented 6 to 7 tenths off my 1/4 mile ET from my intake manifold porting, alone. All in all, I have reduced my ETs by a bit over 2 seconds, with no other changes to the engine. All for no more than $1300.00.

It has been a challenge and a bunch of fun. I agree it isn't for everyone, but it (the Crossfire) doesn't deserve the bad rap it gets. None of the work I've done has been to help reliability or for repairs. The car is a rock.

RACE ON!!!
2 seconds? what are you in the high 12's? So you are saying you added about 200 hp to your crossfire? They say !0 hp for every .1 second reduction in 1/4 mile time. I hate to do this but I call You have 12 second time slips? Not cool. Please come back to earth, was your 1/4 mile setup on the moon to get those results.

The OP is asking for advice not pipe dreams, please don't

Please don't think you will shave 2 seconds off your 1/4 mile with a port job, torque converter and headers. We want good honest posts not
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Originally Posted by jeffp1167
I'm just not a big fan of dual toilet bowl injection is all. Yes I have one so I can say there is little to no hope for them without countless hours of work and a lot of money sunk into them. It's actually about the only engine I would ever consider doing a carb swap on. I would be more tempted to throw a later model TBI system on and a nice edelbrock manifold then to waste my time trying to get a cfi manifold to breath.
dual toilet bowl injection I never heard that one. We all know the problem with this system and why GM made it suck to make the TPI look better, but that dual toilet bowl thing is to funny. I will be reading more of your posts, you call them like you see them.
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Originally Posted by jeffp1167
my opinion is factual. case in point, I have a 82 corvette with cfi and a 82 trans am with a 90 TBI conversion.

fact both are 350's both are for the most part stock meaning no performance mods. The 82 trans am is a roller cam 350 with TBI the 82 corvette bone stock as far as I know.

Fact the trans am runs wayyyyyy better and can at will run circles around the vette. It can out accelerate the vette with ease as well. both cars have similiar gearing and weight probably close as well.
I agree, I had a z28 with a carb and it would haul @$$ compared to the crossfire, and actually haul 3 times as much @$$ with the back seat, I rocked that z28 hard with the ladies.



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