Superram Install help....
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Racer
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From: Palos Hills IL
Superram Install help....
How do you guys install the superram, with or without
some type of sealant on the gaskets. Its pretty much
impossible to get the thing together before that thin
layer of silicon drys. Just wondering who does what?? Thanks
Kwik88
some type of sealant on the gaskets. Its pretty much
impossible to get the thing together before that thin
layer of silicon drys. Just wondering who does what?? Thanks
Kwik88
Le Mans Master
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From: Lafayette LA
Re: (Kwik88)
I've never heard on anyone using sealant on any of the gaskets. :eek:
There are base to runner gaskets, runner to plenum gaskets, and a plenum to lid gasket. None of which require any kind of silicone or sealant.
There are base to runner gaskets, runner to plenum gaskets, and a plenum to lid gasket. None of which require any kind of silicone or sealant.
Former Vendor
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From: St Marys PA
Re: (Kwik88)
Kwick88,
I used some *tack* type sealer the second time around. Seemed to help hold everything were it needed to be during installation. Not that anyone :rolleyes: would put the runners on the wrong side, but make sure you pay attention to the difference in the two runners. DON'T ASK! :lol:
If you need anything at all during the install, just let me know. Also do yourself a favor and do two things before you even start.
1. Drill the through holes in the runners that are used to secure the plenum out to 5/16" (double check that size with the bolt heads)
2. Slot those same bolts that go through those holes so you can get them from the top with a screw driver. (I also put RTV sealant on the threads of those bolts).
Remember to take your time and ask questions. One other quick thought. Dont even think about tightening any of the bolts lower or upper until EVERY bolt is started and almost bottomed out. Good Luck.
I used some *tack* type sealer the second time around. Seemed to help hold everything were it needed to be during installation. Not that anyone :rolleyes: would put the runners on the wrong side, but make sure you pay attention to the difference in the two runners. DON'T ASK! :lol:
If you need anything at all during the install, just let me know. Also do yourself a favor and do two things before you even start.
1. Drill the through holes in the runners that are used to secure the plenum out to 5/16" (double check that size with the bolt heads)
2. Slot those same bolts that go through those holes so you can get them from the top with a screw driver. (I also put RTV sealant on the threads of those bolts).
Remember to take your time and ask questions. One other quick thought. Dont even think about tightening any of the bolts lower or upper until EVERY bolt is started and almost bottomed out. Good Luck.
Le Mans Master
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From: Lafayette LA
Re: (ski_dwn_it)
Not that anyone :rolleyes: would put the runners on the wrong side, but make sure you pay attention to the difference in the two runners. DON'T ASK! :lol:
I did that my first time installing one. Can anyone help me find this vacuum leak?
Le Mans Master
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From: Lafayette LA
Re: (ski_dwn_it)
Are you serious about finding the vacuum leak. And the vacuum leak is with the wrong runner on the wrong side?
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From: St Marys PA
Re: Superram Install help.... (Mike89GTA)
I found that ether works much better at pin-pointing the leak. The propane seems to spread out everywere in the tight confinds of the SR and make it hard to detect exact location. I used ether and knew exactly were the leak was. Before I thought it was around the injectors, when in fact it was ~4" away, and the air currents must have been pulling the propane. To each his own though. Use whatever you feel comfortable with.
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Re: Superram Install help.... (ski_dwn_it)
I used sealant on all the gaskets!
I put a very thin coat on the surface and pushed the gasket on, after a few mins of the glue setting up I assembled it. I only used teh glue on one side of the gasket.
I glued the runner to plenum gaskets, to the bottom of the plenum.
I glued the runner to base gaskets to the runners.
I also glued the throttle body gasket to the plenum, as well as the plenum lid gasket to the plenum.
I took the super ram apart a long while after I put it on, the parts came apart easily, and the gaskets were in perfect condition. I reinstalled it all without changing the gaskets and never had a problem.
Also, installing the plenum can be trickey.
put the runners on, but leave them loose so they can whiggle around. then put the plenum on. after you have all the plenum bolts started, tighten the runners down, then tighten the plenum down. Other wise you will not get the alighnment of the plenum to runner bolts holes set.
Or you could drill them out.
I put a very thin coat on the surface and pushed the gasket on, after a few mins of the glue setting up I assembled it. I only used teh glue on one side of the gasket.
I glued the runner to plenum gaskets, to the bottom of the plenum.
I glued the runner to base gaskets to the runners.
I also glued the throttle body gasket to the plenum, as well as the plenum lid gasket to the plenum.
I took the super ram apart a long while after I put it on, the parts came apart easily, and the gaskets were in perfect condition. I reinstalled it all without changing the gaskets and never had a problem.
Also, installing the plenum can be trickey.
put the runners on, but leave them loose so they can whiggle around. then put the plenum on. after you have all the plenum bolts started, tighten the runners down, then tighten the plenum down. Other wise you will not get the alighnment of the plenum to runner bolts holes set.
Or you could drill them out.
Burning Brakes
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From: Parker, Colorado, USofA
Re: Superram Install help.... (Kwik88)
I used sealant the second(!) time. There's a Big **** vacuum leak when you neglect to torque down the bolts to the manifold base. :jester
I don't know if I needed the sealent (high temp copper), but I did it just the same as I didn't want to do it a second time.
FYI, you MUST get the allen bolts under the runners torqued down, and you'll most likely need to remove a couple of rockers to do it.
Mike "Why, I'm doing for the third time as we speak! But this time it's on the motor that _counts_" Miller
I don't know if I needed the sealent (high temp copper), but I did it just the same as I didn't want to do it a second time.
FYI, you MUST get the allen bolts under the runners torqued down, and you'll most likely need to remove a couple of rockers to do it.
Mike "Why, I'm doing for the third time as we speak! But this time it's on the motor that _counts_" Miller
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From: fairfax va
Re: Superram Install help.... (Kwik88)
Get an allen head ball type socket for 1/4" ratchet and a fairly long wobble extension and whatever ratchet you have. You will still need to remove the valve cover, but not the rocker with this combo.
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Re: Superram Install help.... (Kwik88)
This is a good question, I have done it 3 times and used sealant for fear of vacuum leaks because the SR is not exactly a piece of precision workmanship. However, it takes considerable time to get all the hardware in and tight so the sealant may set before your done. If the guys have had success without, I say go without.
Melting Slicks
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From: Ca.
Re: Superram Install help.... (LPDesRoche)
OK, now here's a dumb question.....the two threaded holes inside the plenum that connect to the egr passage; there were no plugs with the SR kit, but I take it everyone is plugging those holes so only the front passages are open???
