rain or wet wont start
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From: norco ca
rain or wet wont start
does anyone have any trouble when there gets wet by rain
or a car wash where u turn the key and besides the lights coming on
theres nothing.
no response at all
then u wait ten minutes and it starts up perfectly. prob cause it dried.
water in distributor? ignition misfire?
any help thanks
93 vette
or a car wash where u turn the key and besides the lights coming on
theres nothing.
no response at all
then u wait ten minutes and it starts up perfectly. prob cause it dried.
water in distributor? ignition misfire?
any help thanks
93 vette
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does anyone have any trouble when there gets wet by rain
or a car wash where u turn the key and besides the lights coming on
theres nothing.
no response at all
then u wait ten minutes and it starts up perfectly. prob cause it dried.
water in distributor? ignition misfire?
any help thanks
93 vette
or a car wash where u turn the key and besides the lights coming on
theres nothing.
no response at all
then u wait ten minutes and it starts up perfectly. prob cause it dried.
water in distributor? ignition misfire?
any help thanks
93 vette
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From: norco ca
i mean nothing like i might as well take the key out and turn it in the air,
like theres no sound no engine no click. just everything blank. besides all the lights and radio coming on.
but then i can literally wait two min. and turn the key, and it will fire up like i just bought the car. perfectly
like theres no sound no engine no click. just everything blank. besides all the lights and radio coming on.
but then i can literally wait two min. and turn the key, and it will fire up like i just bought the car. perfectly
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This sound like a VATS related problem especially when you say you wait 2 minutes which is about the time out re-set of VATS. Start out cleaning the pellet (resistor) contacts on the key with alcohol. Sometimes using a eraser if it is real dirty followed up by the alcohol.
You can also try another key and see how that works. I would actual like to measure the resistance of the two keys side by side to see if the possible problem key has a problem with the pellet.
You can also try another key and see how that works. I would actual like to measure the resistance of the two keys side by side to see if the possible problem key has a problem with the pellet.
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From: WV
This sound like a VATS related problem especially when you say you wait 2 minutes which is about the time out re-set of VATS. Start out cleaning the pellet (resistor) contacts on the key with alcohol. Sometimes using a eraser if it is real dirty followed up by the alcohol.
You can also try another key and see how that works. I would actual like to measure the resistance of the two keys side by side to see if the possible problem key has a problem with the pellet.
You can also try another key and see how that works. I would actual like to measure the resistance of the two keys side by side to see if the possible problem key has a problem with the pellet.
This doesn't sound like its caused by water,if it was water related it probably wouldn't correct itself in 2 minites, maybe its just a quincidence that it happened at the same time.Id say look at VATS also..WW
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This sound like a VATS related problem especially when you say you wait 2 minutes which is about the time out re-set of VATS. Start out cleaning the pellet (resistor) contacts on the key with alcohol. Sometimes using a eraser if it is real dirty followed up by the alcohol.
You can also try another key and see how that works. I would actual like to measure the resistance of the two keys side by side to see if the possible problem key has a problem with the pellet.
You can also try another key and see how that works. I would actual like to measure the resistance of the two keys side by side to see if the possible problem key has a problem with the pellet.
good point. didn't think of the VATS. the day bought my 90, when i went to start the car after the first stop from the dealers lot -- NOTHING. after a couple minutes of cussing and presto - no problem. haven't had a problem since...
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You can find out if it's a Vats problem by pulling the codes.
If it is VATS, you'll get codes in module 1.1 of 51, 52, 53, 54, 61, 62, 63
Many times you'll get a 51 - Pass Key Error
As said, try cleaning the key.
Also common on 92-93 is the ignition switch, see if it's slightly pushed out of the column like 1/16th to 1/8 in.
If some of your reminder bells aren't chiming, it may be the switch.
GM spec for the Pass Ke Timeout is "approximately 3 minutes". If you try and start the car before that time, all you do is reset the timer.
Disconnecting the battery will not disable the timer.
On mine, the 3 minute timer is more like 8 minutes..
If it is VATS, you'll get codes in module 1.1 of 51, 52, 53, 54, 61, 62, 63
Many times you'll get a 51 - Pass Key Error
As said, try cleaning the key.
Also common on 92-93 is the ignition switch, see if it's slightly pushed out of the column like 1/16th to 1/8 in.
If some of your reminder bells aren't chiming, it may be the switch.
GM spec for the Pass Ke Timeout is "approximately 3 minutes". If you try and start the car before that time, all you do is reset the timer.
Disconnecting the battery will not disable the timer.
On mine, the 3 minute timer is more like 8 minutes..
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From: WV
That sounds about right for vats, does it one time then nothing for a while, then it shows up again..But it usually starts getting more frequent, then one day, nothing period...If it turns out to definitely be vats you can either get the wiring harness that goes in under the steering column to eliminate it, or you can have it deleted from your chip. Both work but the wiring fix is cheaper...WW
Last edited by WW7; Mar 4, 2010 at 10:46 AM.
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From: Davie Florida
Hey I had the same exact problem with my 84 vette about 3 months ago, Parked the car at a local publix, ran in & grabbed a 6 pack, Got back to the car & went to start it & nothing at all, Lights worked great, radio came on but turn the key and not a peep..
I disconnected the battery for a few minutes, reconnected it & still nothing, Tried tapping on the starter & still nothing... So I figured I'd try to push start it & it cranked right up ( Manual Trans), First try... Everything worked as it should, got it home b-4 shutting it off again, & would ya know it cranked right back up.. Has not happened since, I do not know what caused it ....
Ant...
I disconnected the battery for a few minutes, reconnected it & still nothing, Tried tapping on the starter & still nothing... So I figured I'd try to push start it & it cranked right up ( Manual Trans), First try... Everything worked as it should, got it home b-4 shutting it off again, & would ya know it cranked right back up.. Has not happened since, I do not know what caused it ....
Ant...
Last edited by ant-knee470; Mar 4, 2010 at 12:58 PM.
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From: Lahaina Hi
Also common on 92-93 is the ignition switch, see if it's slightly pushed out of the column like 1/16th to 1/8 in.
If some of your reminder bells aren't chiming, it may be the switch.
$85.00 for the Ignition and you have to have the key recoaded to the tumblers.
If some of your reminder bells aren't chiming, it may be the switch.
$85.00 for the Ignition and you have to have the key recoaded to the tumblers.
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From: WV
To use these you have to know which number your key is , if you don't know go to a GM dealer and they have a machine that will measure the resistance on your key for you...WW
http://www.ecklers.com/product.asp?p...6&dept_id=1620
http://www.ecklers.com/product.asp?p...6&dept_id=1620
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$25 is decent for that harness. You can also build the bypass for $5 worth of parts.
You can find out what your key code is with an ohm meter, the values are in the FSM.
BUT, this or replacing the switch shouldn't be done without first pulling the codes.
You can find out what your key code is with an ohm meter, the values are in the FSM.
BUT, this or replacing the switch shouldn't be done without first pulling the codes.
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From: Lahaina Hi
Or you can do what I did .I bought the cylender and removed the panel under the steering wheel ,in the center are the 2 white wires with an orange coating .I disconected the wires plugged in the new cylender and put the key in the ign and another key for the car in the new cylender and turned the ign on and the car started.This is the easy way of checking to see if the ign cyl needs to be replaced,then the work begins.You have to disconect the battery of 30 minutes and remove the air bag and take the collum apart and install the new key cylender.
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ok the post up there helped me more. now when i turn it and the ignition does nothing
i wait two or three minutes and it starts up everytime. so that helps. so knowing that.
is there a definite thing I should do now?
i wait two or three minutes and it starts up everytime. so that helps. so knowing that.
is there a definite thing I should do now?
Melting Slicks
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From: Reno Nv
Pull the codes.
You can find out if it's a Vats problem by pulling the codes.
If it is VATS, you'll get codes in module 1.1 of 51, 52, 53, 54, 61, 62, 63
Many times you'll get a 51 - Pass Key Error
You can find out if it's a Vats problem by pulling the codes.
If it is VATS, you'll get codes in module 1.1 of 51, 52, 53, 54, 61, 62, 63
Many times you'll get a 51 - Pass Key Error
Drifting
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From: Rochester Hills Michigan
Hey I had the same exact problem with my 84 vette about 3 months ago, Parked the car at a local publix, ran in & grabbed a 6 pack, Got back to the car & went to start it & nothing at all, Lights worked great, radio came on but turn the key and not a peep..
I disconnected the battery for a few minutes, reconnected it & still nothing, Tried tapping on the starter & still nothing... So I figured I'd try to push start it & it cranked right up ( Manual Trans), First try... Everything worked as it should, got it home b-4 shutting it off again, & would ya know it cranked right back up.. Has not happened since, I do not know what caused it ....
Ant...
I disconnected the battery for a few minutes, reconnected it & still nothing, Tried tapping on the starter & still nothing... So I figured I'd try to push start it & it cranked right up ( Manual Trans), First try... Everything worked as it should, got it home b-4 shutting it off again, & would ya know it cranked right back up.. Has not happened since, I do not know what caused it ....
Ant...
