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Last fall, just before putting the car away for the winter, I replaced the OEM timing chain. I also replaced the OEM TC cover with a stock replacement cover while I was into it because the original cover had been damaged a few years ago due to a slipped balancer.
My question is: having replaced the OEM timing chain (i.e with the flat links) with a Cloyes double roller NAPA part # 10-3023 is there any chance that the double roller chain is going to have some clearance issues either with the cover or the front casting on the block? After re-assembly, I probably drove about 10 or 15 miles, changed the oil and put it away. Now, I'm just a little concerned because of what I have read about double roller chains needing more clearance that I might have a problem. I didn't hear any unusual noise with the new chain, but just a little concerned.
I have never (yet) seen a block (older or newer) that did not require grinding of the block at the 12 o'clock position. Chain rubs the cast iron, just above the top oil galley.
I have never (yet) seen a block (older or newer) that did not require grinding of the block at the 12 o'clock position. Chain rubs the cast iron, just above the top oil galley.
Well now, I'm concerned again - I know that you, Pete K, have been into a lot of these engines. I'm kicking myself, because I didn't check for clearance when I installed the cam gear even though I had heard about the clearance issues before. I'm afraid I'm going to have to go back in and take a look because when I changed the oil shortly afterward, I thought I could see some metal flakes in the oil. I had myself pretty much convinced that it was just my imagination but now...not so sure. I always stick a strong magnet to the base of the oil pan and pull it off while the oil is draining, and never noticed anything before that caught my attention. Darn!
Well now, I'm concerned again - I know that you, Pete K, have been into a lot of these engines. I'm kicking myself, because I didn't check for clearance when I installed the cam gear even though I had heard about the clearance issues before. I'm afraid I'm going to have to go back in and take a look because when I changed the oil shortly afterward, I thought I could see some metal flakes in the oil. I had myself pretty much convinced that it was just my imagination but now...not so sure. I always stick a strong magnet to the base of the oil pan and pull it off while the oil is draining, and never noticed anything before that caught my attention. Darn!
If I am right, what done is done. It usually "self clearances". It will grind a small groove into the block.
If I am right, what done is done. It usually "self clearances". It will grind a small groove into the block.
Pete - would you agree that if the new timing chain has ground a small groove into the block that this has put considerable premature stress and wear on rivetted ends the chain and increased the risk substantially of *something going horribly wrong* :-) like a broken chain?
Last edited by pletzvet; Apr 17, 2010 at 12:29 AM.
Just an update and to close this thread for future reference - the new double roller timing chain was close, but not touching the block. I estimate that there was between 50 and 75 thousandths of an inch and I removed a little more metal with my die grinder giving me about 3/16ths of an inch. No worries now!
the only clearance problems I've read about is when people put a double roller timing chain inside a cast aluminum timing chain cover on an LT based engine (when converting over to an electric water pump).