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Old Apr 8, 2010 | 10:24 PM
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Does anyone have the front spoiler with the brake cooling ducts?
If so what do you thank about it and where did you run the hose?
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I just got mine and will be instaling it this weekend.
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Old Apr 8, 2010 | 10:38 PM
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Please keep us updated as I've been thinking about purchasing the same front spoiler.
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Will do, I just have a concern about the hose and front tires.
I will post pics tomorrow when I get some more done.
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Old Apr 9, 2010 | 12:44 AM
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I've always wondered how those affect brake dust on the wheels. More, Less or no difference.
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Old Apr 9, 2010 | 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Klondike
I've always wondered how those affect brake dust on the wheels. More, Less or no difference.
I always wondered if they actually worked...
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Old Apr 9, 2010 | 11:09 AM
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I have this set up on my 86. If you are tracking the car, it definitely helps. It has greatly reduced brake fade. I ended up wire tying the tubes to the sway bar and aiming them at the rotors.
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Check this old thread:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c4-t...rake-duct.html

They help a lot! They don't make a difference with brake dust. The dust is all over if you have ducts or not.

The kit is okay but if your spoiler is in good condition it would be better to get real hose. And put the ducts in the nose.

Here's how mine is routed:



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Old Apr 9, 2010 | 10:26 PM
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Well here is what I ended up doing hope it works.








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I have it almost the same as Aardwolf.
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Originally Posted by ls1transam84
Well here is what I ended up doing hope it works.
The duct needs to be much closer to the rotor, the center part. The plastic hose melts but just pull it to extend it out again. Every event mine melts and gets stretched back. I really need to replace it, it lasted good though.
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Old Apr 11, 2010 | 01:13 AM
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I have them on my car and like them a lot. However I also have the Quantum Motorsports Spindle Ducts that put the air right into the rotor. There is one issue with my set up, the Mid America ducts are 2" hose and the Quantum Spindle Ducts are set up for 3". The way I made it work was the 2" hose fits inside rather than out side the duct inlet.

I have had good luck with mine.
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Originally Posted by Aardwolf
The duct needs to be much closer to the rotor, the center part. The plastic hose melts but just pull it to extend it out again. Every event mine melts and gets stretched back. I really need to replace it, it lasted good though.


Unless the hose is right up to the rotor it is a wasted effort.

If you are planning on driving the car to the point where you actually need cooling (track), spindle ducts and high temp ducting with a smooth inner wall (for better flow) is the best choice. If you don't want to spend the extra $ Aardwolf and grantar2 are right on... get that hose right up against the center part of the rotors. The best cooling is from air going THROUGH the rotor vanes, air that is just blowing on the rotor face isn't doing much at all. Best case you are only cooling the inner rotor surface while the outer is getting nothing.

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http://store.quantummotorsports.com/...th=12_26_28_37

If you want "real" cooling ducts and associated parts go with this link above!
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I tested rippled hose verses smooth hose with my turbo car and didn't find any flow difference.
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Well I guess I moved to fast and should have done much more homework on this topic.
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Originally Posted by Aardwolf
I tested rippled hose verses smooth hose with my turbo car and didn't find any flow difference.
That's interesting... how were you testing and with what speed air? Was the difference negligible or none at all? It seems like pretty simple aero principles that air flows better over a smooth surface than one with a bunch of perpendicular edges.
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I wonder how much air these actually bring to the rotors??? Has anyone found a way to test them?
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Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO
That's interesting... how were you testing and with what speed air? Was the difference negligible or none at all? It seems like pretty simple aero principles that air flows better over a smooth surface than one with a bunch of perpendicular edges.
I believe the simple aero principle of it is that air fills in the lows making it appear smooth. I and others did some tests on inter-cooler tubing at the track on our turbo cars. We didn't find any gains!

dogfish246 you can do the math easy for hose diameter for CFM.
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Originally Posted by Aardwolf
I believe the simple aero principle of it is that air fills in the lows making it appear smooth. I and others did some tests on inter-cooler tubing at the track on our turbo cars. We didn't find any gains!
I agree that is that would happen in tubing like that... if that is indeed true, what it means is that the effective inner diameter of the tubing is measured to the highs and the volume of the ridges is lost. If you had a 3" diameter tube with 1/4" ridges it would flow the same amount of air as a 2.5" tube (subtract the 1/4 from both sides). You probably wouldn't see any measurable difference unless you get to the point where the smaller diameter is restricting the flow.

Interesting either way.
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Originally Posted by Aardwolf
dogfish246 you can do the math easy for hose diameter for CFM.
Yes, thats easy, but does the air actually flow through the holes, and to the brakes? Maybe there will be a high pressure buildup at the inlet and cause minimal air flow to the brakes... I dont know, just wondering. Im probably thinking into it too much...
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