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Old 04-29-2010, 11:03 AM
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Default 1996 LT4 CAGS Eliminator Problem

I put a CAGS eliminator from Mid America Vette in my '96 LT-4. I've run into cases where the skip shift is still operative.

What did I do wrong/what happened?

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Old 04-29-2010, 06:43 PM
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Define "operative".

The light will still come on with the eliminator, even when it's working 100% fine.
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Originally Posted by TravisD
Define "operative".

The light will still come on with the eliminator, even when it's working 100% fine.


If it's installed correctly, the skip shift solenoid should no longer "force" you to shift into 4th.
But the light on the dash will still come on. You can just ignore it though.
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Originally Posted by RollaMo-LT4

If it's installed correctly, the skip shift solenoid should no longer "force" you to shift into 4th.




Originally Posted by RollaMo-LT4
But the light on the dash will still come on. You can just ignore it though.
Neither my '90 or my '96 (I'm the original owner) have a light that illuminated with CAGS. '89 did.
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Originally Posted by 96GS#007






Neither my '90 or my '96 (I'm the original owner) have a light that illuminated with CAGS. '89 did.
Seems to me mine had the light when it was new and functional. Like the others have said after installing the CAGS eliminator, the light still illuminated but you were no longer forced to shift into fourth.

When PCMforLess reprogrammed my computer, they apparently programmed out the light illuminating as it no longer illuminates...

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Originally Posted by 96GS#007

Neither my '90 or my '96 (I'm the original owner) have a light that illuminated with CAGS. '89 did.
Are you saying you never had a light to begin with?
Or that the light no longer comes on after disabling CAGS?

The light on my dash still comes on.
From a stoplight, accelerate building rpm's slowly.
At about 10-15 mph, the light will come on.

Now if you keep accelerating to a higher rpm, the light will go back out.
Or if you accelerate pretty quickly, revving to a slightly higher than normal rpm the light comes on and goes out pretty fast.
Unless your looking right at the light, you won't even notice it doing that.

I had the car about 3 months before I even noticed the light.
It's sort of like you have to drive like "Grandma" to hit the right conditions.
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Originally Posted by RollaMo-LT4
Are you saying you never had a light to begin with?
Or that the light no longer comes on after disabling CAGS?

The light on my dash still comes on.
From a stoplight, accelerate building rpm's slowly.
At about 10-15 mph, the light will come on.

Now if you keep accelerating to a higher rpm, the light will go back out.
Or if you accelerate pretty quickly, revving to a slightly higher than normal rpm the light comes on and goes out pretty fast.
Unless your looking right at the light, you won't even notice it doing that.

I had the car about 3 months before I even noticed the light.
It's sort of like you have to drive like "Grandma" to hit the right conditions.
Never had a light come on, before I punted CAGS or after. Interesting.
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My '96 lights up.

My understanding is that if you eliminate CAGS via the PCM, the light will not come on since the "tune" is to adjust the parameters such that they will never be met.
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I have the CAGS on my 94.....the light still comes on.

Had the "change oil" light come on the other day. Who in the hell ever thought of the idea to press the ENG MET button twice and then the other button for 10 seconds is off their rocker! A simple "RESET" button would be nice.
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Have a CAGS installed from Mid American for 15 years. Works great however the 1st to 4 light stills comes on. Recently tried the 1st to 4th and my got 2 mpg increase. Even though the CAGS is a P in the A it does work. Last fill up was $3.35 per gallon. With the traffic in the area I will keep manualy using the 1st to 4th whenever...
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Get a tune from PCM for less
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Originally Posted by 96GS#007
Never had a light come on, before I punted CAGS or after. Interesting.
As others have mentioned, the "One To Four" light might have been programmed out.

But all C4 6-Speed cars have the light, even your GS.
See pages 2-25 and 2-26 of your '96 owners manual, for the parameters.
Page 2-73 shows a picture of the light location.
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Originally Posted by RollaMo-LT4
As others have mentioned, the "One To Four" light might have been programmed out.

But all C4 6-Speed cars have the light, even your GS.
See pages 2-25 and 2-26 of your '96 owners manual, for the parameters.
Page 2-73 shows a picture of the light location.
Appreciate the info. I do all my own programming using LT1 Edit for OBD II cars, including LT4s. I may flash a file with CAGS enabled just to see.
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I installed it on my 96 and the light no longer comes on and it is eliminated.
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Well, I have the Cags Elim on my 96 and the light still comes on.
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The light still comes on. That's not the problem. It still wants to shift from 1st into 4th on occasion.

What's up with that?
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Originally Posted by lrotunda
The light still comes on. That's not the problem. It still wants to shift from 1st into 4th on occasion.

What's up with that?
For that to happen, the One To Four solenoid is still engaging forcing you to shift to 4th.
And if that is happening, the you must not have the CAGS eliminator installed correctly, or not at all.

With the eliminator installed, the solenoid should never engage.

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Don't see how it could engage if it is unplugged!
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Originally Posted by airplane50
Recently tried the 1st to 4th and my got 2 mpg increase. Even though the CAGS is a P in the A it does work. Last fill up was $3.35 per gallon. With the traffic in the area I will keep manualy using the 1st to 4th whenever...

FWIW, CAGS was not designed as a fuel-economy measure. There's an article floating around out there from an engineer involved with it saying that it was actually a noise abatement thing.

http://www.corvetteactioncenter.com/...11-post12.html
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Originally Posted by TravisD
FWIW, CAGS was not designed as a fuel-economy measure. There's an article floating around out there from an engineer involved with it saying that it was actually a noise abatement thing.

http://www.corvetteactioncenter.com/...11-post12.html
Thanks for the link. Really interesting that is was a noise issue on the ZR-1 the factory was dealing with. Makes sense that the 2 mpg improvement is probably from driving easier when going from 1st to 4th.


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