First intake?
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From: Troy Ohio
First intake?
So, has anyone posted any results using the first intake that people have been talking about? How does/would this compare to the Superram? I did a search but didnt find what I was looking for, so I'm asking.....
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I have been waiting forever for this too. I am sure it works well, but I would like to see it work well, or at least a video of it performing on youtube or something.
Besides one dyno pull on a stripped down motor.
I would like to see how it acts in a car.
Besides one dyno pull on a stripped down motor.
I would like to see how it acts in a car.
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BADSS and another recent poster communicated their findings in the GIANT "Have you ever used one of these intakes" thread.
BADSS provided track times while the other (recent poster) posted dyno numbers.
I get the impression some people don't think this is enough feedback and want a bigger group of responders before they'll believe it can perform as reported in that thread.
Kinda like, "Yeah,,,Just because one or two people have had good results, doesn't mean this is a good intake." I find that attitude annoying. (But I'm not a track guy looking for overwhelming evidence this is the best intake to run on the track!)
BTW, I've also seen at least two other threads over the past year from people who've installed and been very happy with the FIRST -- though times/dyno's weren't provided.
BADSS provided track times while the other (recent poster) posted dyno numbers.
I get the impression some people don't think this is enough feedback and want a bigger group of responders before they'll believe it can perform as reported in that thread.
Kinda like, "Yeah,,,Just because one or two people have had good results, doesn't mean this is a good intake." I find that attitude annoying. (But I'm not a track guy looking for overwhelming evidence this is the best intake to run on the track!)
BTW, I've also seen at least two other threads over the past year from people who've installed and been very happy with the FIRST -- though times/dyno's weren't provided.
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I would like to see some comprehensive testing of this intake myself, with various combos.
But I'd say it would be somewhat comparable to SR, maybe not quite the top-end because of runner-length. Of course that depends on some things, so I want to see more testing.
But I'd say it would be somewhat comparable to SR, maybe not quite the top-end because of runner-length. Of course that depends on some things, so I want to see more testing.
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From: Troy Ohio
BADSS and another recent poster communicated their findings in the GIANT "Have you ever used one of these intakes" thread.
BADSS provided track times while the other (recent poster) posted dyno numbers.
I get the impression some people don't think this is enough feedback and want a bigger group of responders before they'll believe it can perform as reported in that thread.
Kinda like, "Yeah,,,Just because one or two people have had good results, doesn't mean this is a good intake." I find that attitude annoying. (But I'm not a track guy looking for overwhelming evidence this is the best intake to run on the track!)
BTW, I've also seen at least two other threads over the past year from people who've installed and been very happy with the FIRST -- though times/dyno's weren't provided.
BADSS provided track times while the other (recent poster) posted dyno numbers.
I get the impression some people don't think this is enough feedback and want a bigger group of responders before they'll believe it can perform as reported in that thread.
Kinda like, "Yeah,,,Just because one or two people have had good results, doesn't mean this is a good intake." I find that attitude annoying. (But I'm not a track guy looking for overwhelming evidence this is the best intake to run on the track!)
BTW, I've also seen at least two other threads over the past year from people who've installed and been very happy with the FIRST -- though times/dyno's weren't provided.
Again thanks for the reply
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Some of us see no reason to spend money on dyno time to tell us what the seat of the pants already does. Too many expect everyone else to spend hard earned bucks so they can bench race this or that intake, cam, etc. If ur one of those that is looking for the most numbers out of ur engine, go to a miniram. If u want a good street intake, USED IN COMB W/ OTHER UPGRADES, this is a great intake. No intake, by itself, is going to provide much of an improvement on these cars. This is not going from a 2 barrel carb to a 4 barrel, as an analogy. This is every bit as fun on the street as the superram I had, without the superam install hastle. And, I like the looks better, too. As previously said, there is plenty of dyno and dragstrip numbers available, if ur willing to look for it. For myself, I couldn't be happier with my decision to switch from a superram to a FIRST. Hope this helps with your decision. Tom (also with a 35 AE
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I've had both and the FIRST is equal to a superram on a street car. There was a group buy about 3 years ago. No one, that I am aware of has had a problem with the intake, except for one person, and I believe that had more to do wth his install and tune than the intake itself.
Some of us see no reason to spend money on dyno time to tell us what the seat of the pants already does. Too many expect everyone else to spend hard earned bucks so they can bench race this or that intake, cam, etc. If ur one of those that is looking for the most numbers out of ur engine, go to a miniram. If u want a good street intake, USED IN COMB W/ OTHER UPGRADES, this is a great intake. No intake, by itself, is going to provide much of an improvement on these cars. This is not going from a 2 barrel carb to a 4 barrel, as an analogy. This is every bit as fun on the street as the superram I had, without the superam install hastle. And, I like the looks better, too. As previously said, there is plenty of dyno and dragstrip numbers available, if ur willing to look for it. For myself, I couldn't be happier with my decision to switch from a superram to a FIRST. Hope this helps with your decision. Tom (also with a 35 AE)
Some of us see no reason to spend money on dyno time to tell us what the seat of the pants already does. Too many expect everyone else to spend hard earned bucks so they can bench race this or that intake, cam, etc. If ur one of those that is looking for the most numbers out of ur engine, go to a miniram. If u want a good street intake, USED IN COMB W/ OTHER UPGRADES, this is a great intake. No intake, by itself, is going to provide much of an improvement on these cars. This is not going from a 2 barrel carb to a 4 barrel, as an analogy. This is every bit as fun on the street as the superram I had, without the superam install hastle. And, I like the looks better, too. As previously said, there is plenty of dyno and dragstrip numbers available, if ur willing to look for it. For myself, I couldn't be happier with my decision to switch from a superram to a FIRST. Hope this helps with your decision. Tom (also with a 35 AE
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Get it honed, then I am sure it will pull like a train, on the right motor.
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Whether you change your cam after a 383 or with a head upgrade depends on personal preference/goals. Certainly, a different cam would be helpful after that type of conversion.
FWIW, I'd look HARD at the LPE219/219 cam for a 383 with the FIRST. It would work well before/after your head swap IMO.
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I was part of the group purchase two or three years ago. I spent the last 2years trying to find someone to help me get it to run correctly. I have a zz383 Chevy crate motor. I have been to numerous shops in numerous states and no on seemed to be able to figure it out. Without pointing out what should have been obvious, I never called Ken at First Fuel Injection. Last week I called Ken and he suggested I take some pictures of the setup and email them to him. During that time I decided to take the manifold apart, in the mean time Ken called and asked about some sensors and the configuration of the throttle linkage. It was then that I noticed that the shop that put my motor together had never read the directions and that it was missing sensors and the linkage was hanging up. I apologize for the ramble, Today Ken drove to Chicago from Wisconsin and spent the whole day working on my car. He refused to leave until it was done and running correctly. Needless to say the car now runs like a monster and I will be driving it on the Hot Rod Power Tour. I am not only impressed with the Manifold but also the company. I have yet to meet someone who so believes in what he does. Thanks Ken
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I was part of the group purchase two or three years ago. I spent the last 2years trying to find someone to help me get it to run correctly. I have a zz383 Chevy crate motor. I have been to numerous shops in numerous states and no on seemed to be able to figure it out. Without pointing out what should have been obvious, I never called Ken at First Fuel Injection. Last week I called Ken and he suggested I take some pictures of the setup and email them to him. During that time I decided to take the manifold apart, in the mean time Ken called and asked about some sensors and the configuration of the throttle linkage. It was then that I noticed that the shop that put my motor together had never read the directions and that it was missing sensors and the linkage was hanging up. I apologize for the ramble, Today Ken drove to Chicago from Wisconsin and spent the whole day working on my car. He refused to leave until it was done and running correctly. Needless to say the car now runs like a monster and I will be driving it on the Hot Rod Power Tour. I am not only impressed with the Manifold but also the company. I have yet to meet someone who so believes in what he does. Thanks Ken
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Note: This was about 1yr ago and several wks after the group purchase. There have been multiple "group purchases" too btw.
EDIT: BTW, My point is not to derail the value/discount of any GP. It's to keep someone from waiting around if the FIRST sounds like the right intake for you. Just call and see what you can get for pricing. Don't sit here all day and read.
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First intake
Just wanted to reiterate, I have never seen anyone so dedicated to making sure that their product works. After meeting Ken I doubt that he is in this business to get rich. I believe that he truly loves what he does and it shows in the product that he sells. Lets see Holley or Edelbrock show that kind of customer service, not gonna happen. I would say that if you have questions about the product rather than guess, call Ken he uses the first on many o his own cars and he has done extensive testing. If he doesn't have an answer he will get it for you
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Sorry, I am trying to get everything dialed in. I am going to take it on Hot Rod's Power tour Saturday and I still have quit a bit of work cut out for me. I need to reset the Iac again. It seems like after it warms up it wont hold an idle. , Top,trim,tires,radio(short),working gauges. Had it out tonight just trying to make sure I don't have any leaks, alot of torque