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Old Jul 27, 2010 | 09:28 AM
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I just noticed that the BLM value of 112 is for cell4 (there are 16 cells across the rev range and airflow range). This is interesting because I would expect that at idle you should be sittiing in cell0. To get up into cell4 you must be sucking a lot of air into the engine and hence a lot of fuel (is this something to do with the IAC or the throttle blade adjustment you spoke about?). The value of 112 shows that the ecm has leaned out the mixture due to a rich condition at idle. See the following link:

http://j-body.net/ECM_Tuning#BLM_.26_INT
I have done a new datalog since then I will post up later but my windows 7 64bit is a bit tempermental
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Old Jul 27, 2010 | 09:34 AM
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(is this something to do with the IAC or the throttle blade adjustment you spoke about?).
Possibly his higher than stock idle rpm has moved it out of cell 0
His IAC counts are higher than usual ,typically 30 - 40 on a TPI setup is normal
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Old Jul 27, 2010 | 09:34 AM
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Thanks.

So poor throttle response would only be picked up by driving NOT by the ALDL datalogging. Also its not something you can tune.
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Old Jul 27, 2010 | 09:46 AM
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I would expect that at idle you should be sittiing in cell0.
'90 is SD (MAP )
http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/di...r-idleing.html

http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/po...171-post3.html
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Old Jul 27, 2010 | 10:15 AM
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I have done a new datalog since then I will post up later but my windows 7 64bit is a bit tempermental




Awaits comments lol :P

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Old Jul 27, 2010 | 10:26 AM
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All I can get out of this is that your car is running. At least that is a good thing.

What are you trying to achieve with your tune(HP, toqrue, mileage)? How are you going about it? Is it better than it was with your stock chip?
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Old Jul 27, 2010 | 10:33 AM
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All I can get out of this is that your car is running. At least that is a good thing.

What are you trying to achieve with your tune(HP, toqrue, mileage)? How are you going about it? Is it better than it was with your stock chip?
I am trying to get as much HP/TRQ as I can. Economy is not a big issue for me otherwise I would buy a Prius lol.

It is better than when it was (coughs) Carb in between cam swaps though

And yes I am happy its running and not dangerously rich or lean. I dont' think I have done too bad for a weekend emulation, programing and dataloggin
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All I can get out of this is that your car is running. At least that is a good thing.

What are you trying to achieve with your tune(HP, toqrue, mileage)? How are you going about it? Is it better than it was with your stock chip?
Well its running a different cam,heads, pro magnum rockers, true roller timing spocket/chain set, hardened pushrods, Stainless steel valves and full length headers with no cats.
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Old Jul 27, 2010 | 10:44 AM
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What you haven't explained is what you have done differently from your standard tune. Then it may be possible to understand some cause and effect in your tuning.
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Well its running a different cam,heads, pro magnum rockers, true roller timing spocket/chain set, hardened pushrods, Stainless steel valves and full length headers with no cats.
How did the stock chip go in running your modded motor?
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How did the stock chip go in running your modded motor?
The stock chip would not run in my motor. It was excessively rich and it would not idle. I have adjusted the lower (below 1200 rpm) ve tables to get it started, put more advance in the lower spark tables and put more in the VE tables in the midrange to compensate for the cams higher volume efficiency in the midrange. Base idle is at 8 deg btdc with est disconnected. Throttle blades have been adjusted at idle to allow for the cam as the IAC was maxing out in drive and when cold due to the cam pulling more air in.

I have also been emulating and datalogging and fine tuning the maps until my LC1 wideband gave me the figures I wanted and the engine and plugs seemed happy.

The hardest part was everytime I pulled more out of the lower VE tables the AFR still did not change and the engine kept running very rich. I am now at a point where it seems happy athough it will probably need more fine tuning.

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Hello Mate! lets just say I am learning and its fun!

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lets just say I am learning and its fun!
The tuning learning curve is steep but it is very satisfying when you can do some adjustments and the numbers come out right
More so when you are in the tuning back blocks of the world like us and don't have a local expert in the same country , let alone town like the good 'ole boys
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The stock chip would not run in my motor. It was excessively rich and it would not idle. I have adjusted the lower (below 1200 rpm) ve tables to get it started, put more advance in the lower spark tables and put more in the VE tables in the midrange to compensate for the cams higher volume efficiency in the midrange. Base idle is at 8 deg btdc with est disconnected. Throttle blades have been adjusted at idle to allow for the cam as the IAC was maxing out in drive and when cold due to the cam pulling more air in.

I have also been emulating and datalogging and fine tuning the maps until my LC1 wideband gave me the figures I wanted and the engine and plugs seemed happy.

The hardest part was everytime I pulled more out of the lower VE tables the AFR still did not change and the engine kept running very rich. I am now at a point where it seems happy athough it will probably need more fine tuning.
Thanks for sharing this. It makes it a lot easier to understand the context of what you are trying to do and why. It could well be that because your mods are not working together well (as per Rodjs comments) that you are fighting a losing battle. Another way of putting it is "You can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear". Tuning is the icing on the cake. It is not the cake.

Anyway my Moates tuning gear has just arrived from the States(without any instructions) so my journey begins. The main difference to you is my engine is running beautifully already with the current mods (minor as they may be).

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I have also been emulating and datalogging and fine tuning the maps until my LC1 wideband gave me the figures I wanted and the engine and plugs seemed happy.
Where does this LC1 AFR instrument connect to?
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Where does this LC1 AFR instrument connect to?
http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/ There are 2 types and I have the type that is installed with a Gauge that sits in a pod. The LC1 also has an output that I can use to datalogg wideband AFR outputs and has a narrowband output to my ECM.

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