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Old Oct 14, 2010 | 11:05 AM
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Is that intake come with the fuel rails or does it use the TPI fuel rails?

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Old Oct 14, 2010 | 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by C4happy
Is that intake come with the fuel rails or does it use the TPI fuel rails?
The you are supposed to use your stuff. If the intake comes at all. I think someone should call Mid America and see if they are in stock.
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Old Oct 14, 2010 | 05:20 PM
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Even if the thing made it to market.

And even if it actually worked.

I still wouldn't buy one. Looks too much like a 3400 V6's intake.

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Old Oct 14, 2010 | 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Lemme
Looks easy to install as its only one piece
Look again.
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Old Oct 14, 2010 | 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom400CFI
Even if the thing made it to market.

And even if it actually worked.

I still wouldn't buy one. Looks too much like a 3400 V6's intake.
I agree. It's nickname is the "Turtle Ram". Anyone here wanna brag at the car shows about your "Turtle Ram" intake?
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Old Oct 14, 2010 | 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by GREGGPENN
Look again.
Well to the untrained eye it looks like you get intake, runners, plenum and fuel rails all included in the one price in the one piece in the photo.

Please explain!
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Old Oct 14, 2010 | 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Lemme
This manifold is making up to 50 extra horsepower ......
"Helping produce about 10-12 horsepower of this gain is our “Power-Plus-Series” twin 58mm throttle body "
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Old Oct 14, 2010 | 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by rodj
"Helping produce about 10-12 horsepower of this gain is our “Power-Plus-Series” twin 58mm throttle body "
How was that test done though? Are they saying on a bog stock camaro they just swapped the intakes? How would headers affect it for instance and air box/filter/maf screen delete mods?

In the test the tpi vehicle was only 200hp. Mine was 240hp stock in any case.
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Old Oct 14, 2010 | 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Lemme
Well to the untrained eye it looks like you get intake, runners, plenum and fuel rails all included in the one piece in the photo.
Please explain!
Given that it doesn't actually exist ,
BBK's Vice President stated when it was released at SEMA in Nov 04
"The top end of this intake is not fully complete yet but as planed as of now it will be 10 pieces. A base, 8 individual runners, and a plenum".

Q) Will stock fuel rails work with this intake?
A) Yes, the stock fuel rail will work with this intake.
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Old Oct 14, 2010 | 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by rodj
Given that it doesn't actually exist ,
BBK's Vice President stated when it was released at SEMA in Nov 04
"The top end of this intake is not fully complete yet but as planed as of now it will be 10 pieces. A base, 8 individual runners, and a plenum".

Q) Will stock fuel rails work with this intake?
A) Yes, the stock fuel rail will work with this intake.
What I was trying to get at was instead of having to buy separate pieces it was in one package. SLP runners for instance are like $330. Thats a lot just for the runners! An Accel intake manifold when it was available was $700 etc...

Anyway if it doesn't exist then it doesn't matter.

Other options to BBKs Turtle Ram $750

1. Holley Stealth Ram (HSR) - $600 (Doesn't fit too well)
2. TPIS Mini Ram - $1200 (Expensive)
3. Accel intake + SLP runners - $1030 (Expensive and Accel intake not available new anymore)
4. Accel Intake + Superram - $2000? (Ridiculously expensive and Accel intake not available new anymore)

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Old Oct 15, 2010 | 12:01 AM
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And just think - the Renegade made it into production already, even with the design being started AFTER the BBK was announced. It's only $465 too. And so far the quickest Crossfire car in the world picked up 3/10 th's just bolting it on.

Don't get me wrong, I think it would have been great if BBK had gotten this going so that all the people who can't buy a Super Ram could buy one of these - just making a slightly one-sided observation
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Old Oct 15, 2010 | 12:24 AM
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Longest runners to shortest (torque -> horsepower "ish")

1) TPI
2) FIRST
3) SuperRam
4) HSR (requires mods)
5) XT (could be 3 or 4 but has slightly shorter runners than the HSR)
6) Single Plane (requires mods)
7) MR/LT1 (LT1 requires mods)

I assume the Turtle Ram would fall at #4 if produced.
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Old Oct 15, 2010 | 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by mcm95403
And just think - the Renegade made it into production already, even with the design being started AFTER the BBK was announced. It's only $465 too. And so far the quickest Crossfire car in the world picked up 3/10 th's just bolting it on.

Don't get me wrong, I think it would have been great if BBK had gotten this going so that all the people who can't buy a Super Ram could buy one of these - just making a slightly one-sided observation
Well my renegade for my 84 is on order so hopefully that won't be too far away. I haven't been given a delivery date for that either. I thought I had better get in quick before that ceases production! At least it made it into production.
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Old Oct 15, 2010 | 01:07 AM
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Originally Posted by USAsOnlyWay
Longest runners to shortest (torque -> horsepower "ish")

1) TPI
2) FIRST
3) SuperRam
4) HSR (requires mods)
5) XT (could be 3 or 4 but has slightly shorter runners than the HSR)
6) Single Plane (requires mods)
7) MR/LT1 (LT1 requires mods)

I assume the Turtle Ram would fall at #4 if produced.
Because the TR has a smaller plenum than the SR, I'd expect the SR to have a somewhat better top end. Also, because the FIRST's tubes are bigger than the SR, their top ends may be nearly equal. From the best feedback given on the FIRST, peak LOCATION seemed identical to the SR.
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Originally Posted by GREGGPENN
Also, because the FIRST's tubes are bigger than the SR, their top ends may be nearly equal. From the best feedback given on the FIRST, peak LOCATION seemed identical to the SR.
Any idea of the cost and availability of the FIRST?
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Old Oct 15, 2010 | 01:16 AM
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F.I.R.S.T. were around $ 1000 last year
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Originally Posted by Calderone
F.I.R.S.T. were around $ 1000 last year
So the turtle wins the race! At least in vaporware!
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Originally Posted by Lemme
Any idea of the cost and availability of the FIRST?
$850ish and they include a (larger) TB.
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wrong info...delete

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Originally Posted by GREGGPENN
Because the TR has a smaller plenum than the SR, I'd expect the SR to have a somewhat better top end. Also, because the FIRST's tubes are bigger than the SR, their top ends may be nearly equal. From the best feedback given on the FIRST, peak LOCATION seemed identical to the SR.
This is why I said "ish", the list is longest runners to shortest (off the top of my head.)

Hard to make conclusions on the TR because we only have one graph...and one prototype manifold.
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