Does Water Wetter Actually work?
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Re: Does Water Wetter Actually work? (NoWorries)
Hey, this stuff doesn't cause leaks does it? Or hurt the water pump any? Just want to make sure before I try it, make sure it doesn't cause the coolant mix to start blazing it's own trails past gaskets, etc.
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Re: Does Water Wetter Actually work? (NoWorries)
:cheers: It is in!!! Got some yesterday!! Put the car on the home-made C4 ramps, drained and flushed the radiator. Refilled with Water Wetter and a little DexCool and distilled water. I let her idle for a little while and kept and eye on the temp. Never got above 211!!! About a 20 degree temp reduction!!! :yesnod:
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Re: Does Water Wetter Actually work? (Spike T)
So are you guys saying I can run without coolant (distilled water and water wetter only) and get better results than 50/50 coolant?! :confused:
Less glycol = better cooling. Just be sure you don't need ANTIFREEZE protection. This page has info aplenty:
http://www.redlineoil.com/redlineoil/wwti.htm
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Re: Does Water Wetter Actually work? (rocketfinger)
In Central Massachusetts I do need antifreeze, but probably not 50/509 which I believe is rated for super-sub-zero conditions. I'm going to remove and clean the radiator in a few weeks, so this would be an ideal opportunity to make the exchange. Some say in this post that the stuff is expensive.
What's "expensive"? Who makes it? :cheers:
What's "expensive"? Who makes it? :cheers:
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Re: Does Water Wetter Actually work? (Spike T)
I've gotta keep antifreeze in mine over the winter obviously, but as soon as the threat of sub-32deg temps is gone (like mid-July :jester ), I go heavy on the water side of the ratio. Red Line is by far the most prevalent brand, but I've seen some knock-offs too. Seems like I paid <$20 last time, can't remember for sure. IMHO, it's money well spent.
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Re: Does Water Wetter Actually work? (rocketfinger)
Rocketfinger, thanks a lot. I was just up your way last week, to Bloomington, on business. First time in the area; went to The Mall...unbelievable! It's like an indoor city. Had time for a few beers in Hooters and a couple of other joints. A really pleasant afternoon. :cheers:
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Re: Does Water Wetter Actually work? (Spike T)
You probably missed the @#%&*! snow, then. I've been driving my car almost all winter because it's been unseasonably warm, and then wham! Still waiting for that crap to melt.
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Re: Does Water Wetter Actually work? (rocketfinger)
Yeah, just missed. We were there Monday when it was 15* and it got up around 40* on Tuesday. Sunny and clear, both days. I know what you mean about late snow; we don't relax in Massachusetts until May 1. I've seen wicked ice and snow storms as late as Apri 15, maybe later. :rolleyes:
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Re: Does Water Wetter Actually work? (Spike T)
Now I'm a believer. Drove the car today. I have a 50/50 mix of dexcool. Drained the radiator, used one bottle of water wetter and filled the rest with distilled water. Back on the road and the car ran an easy 15 degrees cooler. Finally, something that actualy does what it says it will do.
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Re: Does Water Wetter Actually work? (Crusher137)
The difference you say was most likely the water, not the water wetter! I also would not run DexCool below 50% concentration.
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Re: Does Water Wetter Actually work? (PeteL)
The instructions say to run 15 percent anti freeze. I have at least that.
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Re: Does Water Wetter Actually work? (Crusher137)
They are talking about the "Green" coolant. You can run that a little low if you flush all the time. DexCool is another animal. If you keep flushing you may be OK, but I would not let that mix go for a year in my car with low concentration. Make sure your pressure cap is new, a Stant cap with 16 PSI and a positive spring pressure vacuum relief valve is a good idea. Do not let the coolant level get low ever. Run the overflow tank high on coolant level. Make sure there are no leaks.
Just an opinion, many others may be able to help you here.
Nothing readily available will cool better than pure water. AF (coolant) is to protect your engine from corrosion and reduce the freeze point of the mixture. WW provides some corrosion protection and wetting agents (also like normal AF) to allow the use of more water and therefore better cooling. However, it cannot protect from corrosion forever. I would ask them, RedLine can probably give you a good answer about how long you can go with a racing mix of WW and H2O.
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Just an opinion, many others may be able to help you here.
Nothing readily available will cool better than pure water. AF (coolant) is to protect your engine from corrosion and reduce the freeze point of the mixture. WW provides some corrosion protection and wetting agents (also like normal AF) to allow the use of more water and therefore better cooling. However, it cannot protect from corrosion forever. I would ask them, RedLine can probably give you a good answer about how long you can go with a racing mix of WW and H2O.
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Re: Does Water Wetter Actually work? (PeteL)
OK, so why is dexcool not good in low percentage mixes?
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Re: Does Water Wetter Actually work? (PeteL)
Thanks everybody, for the replies.
I'm running about a 40/60 coolant/water mixture with a bottle of water wetter now. It seems to do a lot better. I'm still chasing some cooling problems, but this has helped the best so far.
Too bad its not like my Honda, alluminum block, alluminum heads, alluminum radiator, and an insanely large fan. She barely ever moves the needle, and I'm in Phoenix, 25 miles a day commute through traffic. :eek:
I'm running about a 40/60 coolant/water mixture with a bottle of water wetter now. It seems to do a lot better. I'm still chasing some cooling problems, but this has helped the best so far.
Too bad its not like my Honda, alluminum block, alluminum heads, alluminum radiator, and an insanely large fan. She barely ever moves the needle, and I'm in Phoenix, 25 miles a day commute through traffic. :eek:
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Re: Does Water Wetter Actually work? (NoWorries)
I actually called Redline about Water Wetter and its properties. I lived in the panhandle of FL and my car ran well over 220 degrees. I was told if I decreased my coolant mixture from and use water wetter, I would see a drop in temp. I run about a 20% mix with water wetter. I saw approx a 20 degree drop.
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Re: Does Water Wetter Actually work? (Bgreenard)
Petel,
I contacted RedLine and they said that is perfectly fine to use Water Wetter with dexcool. They did say however that ww should be changed once a year to maintain its corrosive protection.
Kevin aka: Crusher
I contacted RedLine and they said that is perfectly fine to use Water Wetter with dexcool. They did say however that ww should be changed once a year to maintain its corrosive protection.
Kevin aka: Crusher
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Re: Does Water Wetter Actually work? (Crusher137)
Yeah, Hib said it was OK as well.
My concern is with reduced concentrations of DexCool. There is sooooo much rumor. There were problems with 95 Blazers, and SS Impala's with the LT1, and some others. GM and Texaco studied the problems and came up with a video tape and and conference presentation on it. GM also issued a TSB and one of the points was to never run DexCool below 50/50 (with water) even though Texaco still allows 40/60 (water).
Give me a minute and I'll find a link to the article, posted last year.
Link to article #1: http://www.imcool.com/articles/antif...l-macs2001.htm
Link to article #2: http://www.imcool.com/articles/antif...ohnbrunner.htm
I'll see if I can post the full TSB from GM.
Can only copy a piece, from TSB #00-06-02-006:
Pete
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My concern is with reduced concentrations of DexCool. There is sooooo much rumor. There were problems with 95 Blazers, and SS Impala's with the LT1, and some others. GM and Texaco studied the problems and came up with a video tape and and conference presentation on it. GM also issued a TSB and one of the points was to never run DexCool below 50/50 (with water) even though Texaco still allows 40/60 (water).
Give me a minute and I'll find a link to the article, posted last year.
Link to article #1: http://www.imcool.com/articles/antif...l-macs2001.htm
Link to article #2: http://www.imcool.com/articles/antif...ohnbrunner.htm
I'll see if I can post the full TSB from GM.
Can only copy a piece, from TSB #00-06-02-006:
Concentration
The chemical inhibitors in DEX-COOL® are a critical part of protecting the cooling system. The inhibitors provide more than
just freeze and boil protection, they are the necessary components for overall corrosion protection of the cooling system. A
proper mix of 50/50 DEX-COOL® and water is essential. A 50/50 mix ensures that the proper amount of chemical inhibitors
are in the coolant.
Important
At low concentrations (less than 30% DEX-COOL® to water), these inhibitors may not be able to adequately provide
corrosions protection and damage may occur to the cooling system components.
Radiator drain and fills are a major contributor to improper coolant concentration. Drain and fills only remove about half of a
cooling system's coolant. When the new coolant is added, it combines with the old coolant (with depleted chemical inhibitors)
and the resulting mixture is considerably less than a 50/50 mix. For this reason, radiator drain and fills are no longer
recommended as a means for a coolant change service (refer to the Equipment portion of this bulletin).
Low coolant concentration can also result from topping off the cooling system with water, and improper filling when system
components are serviced.
Assuring System Integrity
A properly functioning radiator cap is essential to achieve the intended system performance. Radiator caps should be tested
before reinstalling to assure they are operating according to their specifications. If any evidence of contamination is present, or if
the cap fails to test to specification, it should be replaced.
Maintaining a completely full cooling system is likewise critical to its performance. Whenever cooling systems are flushed or
coolant is exchanged, the possibility of introducing air into the system exists. See applicable Service Manual and bulletins for
procedures. Air pockets in the cooling system can take as long as 161 km (100 miles) to be completely expelled. For this
reason, it is critical to check the level of both the radiator and coolant recovery bottle 161 km (100 miles) after any cooling
system service. Owners should be advised of the importance of maintaining cooling system at the proper level and referred to
their Owners Manual for information.
The chemical inhibitors in DEX-COOL® are a critical part of protecting the cooling system. The inhibitors provide more than
just freeze and boil protection, they are the necessary components for overall corrosion protection of the cooling system. A
proper mix of 50/50 DEX-COOL® and water is essential. A 50/50 mix ensures that the proper amount of chemical inhibitors
are in the coolant.
Important
At low concentrations (less than 30% DEX-COOL® to water), these inhibitors may not be able to adequately provide
corrosions protection and damage may occur to the cooling system components.
Radiator drain and fills are a major contributor to improper coolant concentration. Drain and fills only remove about half of a
cooling system's coolant. When the new coolant is added, it combines with the old coolant (with depleted chemical inhibitors)
and the resulting mixture is considerably less than a 50/50 mix. For this reason, radiator drain and fills are no longer
recommended as a means for a coolant change service (refer to the Equipment portion of this bulletin).
Low coolant concentration can also result from topping off the cooling system with water, and improper filling when system
components are serviced.
Assuring System Integrity
A properly functioning radiator cap is essential to achieve the intended system performance. Radiator caps should be tested
before reinstalling to assure they are operating according to their specifications. If any evidence of contamination is present, or if
the cap fails to test to specification, it should be replaced.
Maintaining a completely full cooling system is likewise critical to its performance. Whenever cooling systems are flushed or
coolant is exchanged, the possibility of introducing air into the system exists. See applicable Service Manual and bulletins for
procedures. Air pockets in the cooling system can take as long as 161 km (100 miles) to be completely expelled. For this
reason, it is critical to check the level of both the radiator and coolant recovery bottle 161 km (100 miles) after any cooling
system service. Owners should be advised of the importance of maintaining cooling system at the proper level and referred to
their Owners Manual for information.
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