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Old Nov 13, 2010 | 11:55 AM
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Hi guys, I have a 93 Corvette and years ago I had a custom piggyback prom made and everything has been fine until recently. My VATS system is acting up and I wondered if someone here could disable the VATS system in my computer for me.

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Old Nov 14, 2010 | 11:45 AM
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Chris,

The program in the ECM is only one peice of the VATS for your year. There is a signal that comes from the CCM to tell the ECM to cut off the injector pulse if the VATS goes off. So fixing the PROM will not cure your problem as you will still not be able to start your car.

Your best bet is to go with one of the plug and play VATS eliminators that are available. I got the one from Mid America. There are others that go from the simple to the expensive.
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Old Nov 14, 2010 | 03:00 PM
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Chris,

The program in the ECM is only one peice of the VATS for your year. There is a signal that comes from the CCM to tell the ECM to cut off the injector pulse if the VATS goes off. So fixing the PROM will not cure your problem as you will still not be able to start your car.

Your best bet is to go with one of the plug and play VATS eliminators that are available. I got the one from Mid America. There are others that go from the simple to the expensive.
I built and installed my own VATS eliminator yesterday. The VATS eliminator remove the key and cylinder from the equation if I am not mistaken. If I have read correctly VATS now needs to turned off in the computer to effectively be removed from the car. Is this correct?
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Old Nov 14, 2010 | 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by crheinish
If I have read correctly VATS now needs to turned off in the computer to effectively be removed from the car. Is this correct?
If you have VATS removed on the chip ( programmed out ) then you don't need any external eliminators because the ECM has been instructed not to look for injector enable signal from the CCM
(VATS is part of CCM on late cars;was standalone unit on early ones )

If you are doing this because VATS components are faulty and you have VATS programmed out , you will need to manually bypass the starter enable relay also controlled by VATS

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The injector enable is what I am having problems with, after my sits for a few hours it will crank but not start. If I let it sit an additional 3 minutes it fires right up. I checked for codes and no codes present, I do not wish to diagnose further I would prefer to remove VATS form the car.
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Originally Posted by crheinish
Hi guys, I have a 93 Corvette and years ago I had a custom piggyback prom made and everything has been fine until recently. My VATS system is acting up and I wondered if someone here could disable the VATS system in my computer for me.

Thanks

Chris
If you go to Eklers you will find vats by pass kits. You will have to read the instructions they give you to get the right one. good luck
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Old Dec 31, 2010 | 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by richauto
If you go to Eklers you will find vats by pass kits.
Ecklers kits only do what OP did in post # 3; take the key reader out.
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Originally Posted by crheinish
The injector enable is what I am having problems with, after my sits for a few hours it will crank but not start. If I let it sit an additional 3 minutes it fires right up. I checked for codes and no codes present, I do not wish to diagnose further I would prefer to remove VATS form the car.
Are you sure it's that and not something simpler like the check-valve in the fuel pump or the fuel pressure regulator gone bad? Either one would cause the fuel pressure to drop to 0 after sitting then be hard to start - cycle the key to "run" but don't start - let the fuel pump prime, turn key off and then to run and prime the rails a total of 3 times and then crank - if it fires right up you've got a fuel pressure leakdown problem...
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Originally Posted by crheinish
The injector enable is what I am having problems with, after my sits for a few hours it will crank but not start. If I let it sit an additional 3 minutes it fires right up. I checked for codes and no codes present, I do not wish to diagnose further I would prefer to remove VATS form the car.
I've been plagued with the same problem that's been a hemorroid and pita .. which by the way has me outraged at the dealership who has had my c4 going on three months.

If you can just simply get a PROM with vats eliminated that should save you all the grief that I'm about to take the dealership to court over for incompetence and mental anquish.
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Old Aug 14, 2012 | 12:05 PM
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Did you ever get your car fixed?

I have a 92/auto with similar issue (well I can't get it to stay running at all). and there is a lose cylinder w/ key under the dash as well.

I may have to start my own thread too.
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Originally Posted by TOOCHA
I have a 92/auto with similar issue (well I can't get it to stay running at all)
If engine cranks over and fires up then most likely not VATS related

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I may have to start my own thread too.

Better to do it in the Tech section where it will get better response
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c4-tech-performance-48/
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Old Aug 14, 2012 | 11:34 PM
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VATS does two things if it reads the key resistor pellet correctly when the ignition is turned on: enable starter relay and send 30 Hz square wave to the ECM, which enables the injectors (later ECMs have the VATS function inside).

If your car cranks, then it's about 99.99% certain that the problem is not VATS related.

If the ECM sees ignition-on but does not see the 30 Hz VATS signal then it will set error code 46.
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Thanks Rodj, I was going to create a new thread in Tech section, but was looking for a resolution to this thread which is in Tune section.

sorry if i wasn't clear
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