Would no pilot bearing cause problems?
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Melting Slicks
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Would no pilot bearing cause problems?
Having just gotten my new clutch and flywheel I got all the parts to put it in correctly. Taking my old unit apart was my first time seeing the clutch and flywheel assembly and I never had a pilot bearing in there. My old unit was a replacement to the original. So the guy who did it I guess never used a pilot bearing.
What would the symptoms be if no pilot bearing was used? I am going to use a pilot bearing in my install don't worry !!
What would the symptoms be if no pilot bearing was used? I am going to use a pilot bearing in my install don't worry !!
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the input shaft would have a tendency to wobble around damage the rear of your crank, while doing that the input shaft bearing would get loose and eventually destroy itself taking your transmission with it . it may be something new, but I've never seen one without a bearing or bushing. Sometimes the bushing will be corroded and look like its part of the crank, make sure to lube whatever you put in there. getting the old bushing out is sometimes a pita, but time well spent.
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Melting Slicks
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I must have over looked my pilot bearing when taking my old unit out who knows. I just don't see it laying around anywhere where I put all my old nuts and bolts ect..I just worry about the lube getting on the clutch and buring it out. I had a bad seal leak oil all over my old unit.
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Im pretty sure your transmission would not survive the ride home without the pilot bearing. It keeps the input shaft to the transmission aligned, and if the shaft were to move it would hurt the gears and bearings inside the trans. I would check the play on the input shaft to make sure its still good.
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Melting Slicks
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Well maybe it is still in there. I didn't even think about it being in there still. Shoot because I mounted the clutch/flywheel already. I doubt it is still in there because I sent my motor to be rebuilt and the guy painted it. I will have to use a flash light and see if it is in there ! Thank god I ask some questions sometimes.
The pilot bearing that came in my spec package didn't look like a bearing. Didn't have a rotating inside. Just like a thick metal ring. Is this normal?
The pilot bearing that came in my spec package didn't look like a bearing. Didn't have a rotating inside. Just like a thick metal ring. Is this normal?
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Well maybe it is still in there. I didn't even think about it being in there still. Shoot because I mounted the clutch/flywheel already. I doubt it is still in there because I sent my motor to be rebuilt and the guy painted it. I will have to use a flash light and see if it is in there ! Thank god I ask some questions sometimes.
The pilot bearing that came in my spec package didn't look like a bearing. Didn't have a rotating inside. Just like a thick metal ring. Is this normal?
The pilot bearing that came in my spec package didn't look like a bearing. Didn't have a rotating inside. Just like a thick metal ring. Is this normal?
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I didn't put it in yet and I already mounted my flywheel/clutch. I was watching the youtube videos and the guy put it on the shaft then put his trans in.
Go to the 2:20 second mark and you will see him put grease on it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7g7FdPTXiw
Here is mine:
Go to the 2:20 second mark and you will see him put grease on it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7g7FdPTXiw
Here is mine:
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the input shaft would have a tendency to wobble around damage the rear of your crank, while doing that the input shaft bearing would get loose and eventually destroy itself taking your transmission with it . it may be something new, but I've never seen one without a bearing or bushing. Sometimes the bushing will be corroded and look like its part of the crank, make sure to lube whatever you put in there. getting the old bushing out is sometimes a pita, but time well spent.
Exactly what happens!I must have over looked my pilot bearing when taking my old unit out who knows. I just don't see it laying around anywhere where I put all my old nuts and bolts ect..I just worry about the lube getting on the clutch and buring it out. I had a bad seal leak oil all over my old unit.
Thanks
Thanks
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Melting Slicks
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So I need to take everything back off and press it in there? DANGGGG lol whoops..
Well after I mounted my flywheel, I then stuck the alignment tool in there and put the clutch over that to align that clutch. If my alignment tool stuck in thee and held the clutch does that mean there is a pilot bearing in there?
Well after I mounted my flywheel, I then stuck the alignment tool in there and put the clutch over that to align that clutch. If my alignment tool stuck in thee and held the clutch does that mean there is a pilot bearing in there?
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It should, but thats a huge chance to take. dont stick it on the end of your trans then shove it in, put the bushing in there first then put the trans in. Always a good idea to slide it over the input shaft just to see how it fits on there though. Dont chance it...
if you can get in there with a flashlight you should be able to see if the bushing is in there or not.
if you can get in there with a flashlight you should be able to see if the bushing is in there or not.
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Melting Slicks
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But say it is in there, should I take it apart and put a new one in there? or will it be to worn?
previous actions of my car were, HUGE chatter in reverse, and light chatter in 1st, 2nd gear.
If the bearing has a chance of being worn I don't want it in there.
previous actions of my car were, HUGE chatter in reverse, and light chatter in 1st, 2nd gear.
If the bearing has a chance of being worn I don't want it in there.
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Replace it, they are cheap and easy to get in and out.
Just watched that vid, nowhere in there was a pilot bushing that was the throwout bearing (dotn grease yours). Use a torque wrench too on your PP flywheel etc.
Some of those Youtube experts.
Just watched that vid, nowhere in there was a pilot bushing that was the throwout bearing (dotn grease yours). Use a torque wrench too on your PP flywheel etc.
Some of those Youtube experts.
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Melting Slicks
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Yeah now that I looked closer at the vid I don't see the bushing either ! haha. Sorry its my first time and its late for me.
Yeah I made sure I torqued the bolts on both the FW and PP and Bell Housing. Thanks guys. Ill post tomorrow when I tear it all apart and find out.
Yeah I made sure I torqued the bolts on both the FW and PP and Bell Housing. Thanks guys. Ill post tomorrow when I tear it all apart and find out.
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with this kind of 'actions' you would be ahead, while you have it out , to replace, or get replaced at a minimum, the bearings in the trans. they are alot cheaper than replacing the trans when it becomes junk. if you dont put a light coating of grease on the nose of the input shaft, the bushing will attach itself to your input shaft and spin inside the crankshaft, causing more problems than its fun to deal with.
Last edited by oldalaskaman; Jan 31, 2011 at 12:52 AM.