FIRST intake for LT1s!
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Here you go, 400rwhp TPI and passed Ca smog.
Guy is a member over here.
http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/tp...o-results.html
Id say proof the intake can make some power
Guy is a member over here.
http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/tp...o-results.html
Id say proof the intake can make some power
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It's funny because I hear all this talk about the FIRST intake being able to do this, and that.
But I still havent seen any real world dyno numbers, or track times from any members of the Corvette Forum. If it was such a g r e a t intake then why arent there hundreds of guys running it on the C4 Corvette's or F-body's for that matter.
Anyone?
But I still havent seen any real world dyno numbers, or track times from any members of the Corvette Forum. If it was such a g r e a t intake then why arent there hundreds of guys running it on the C4 Corvette's or F-body's for that matter.
Anyone?
All this talk and hype, I considered it myself and landed on a MR for price, and performance.If this thing was the cats meow I am sure more racers would have it and share the data like all of the other intakes out there.
Sure it's better than the stock set up, BUT is what most people want? NO obviously. The proof is in the pudding.
GP's and stuff for like 10 years or something and a few guys that own it comment on it but they are not the really doing data research. The L98 is history and the first intake is not really playing a big part in it.
Considering money management I would stick with a MR, or SR depending on setup, and price used.
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All this talk and hype, I considered it myself and landed on a MR for price, and performance.If this thing was the cats meow I am sure more racers would have it and share the data like all of the other intakes out there.
Sure it's better than the stock set up, BUT is what most people want? NO obviously. The proof is in the pudding.
GP's and stuff for like 10 years or something and a few guys that own it comment on it but they are not the really doing data research. The L98 is history and the first intake is not really playing a big part in it.
Considering money management I would stick with a MR, or SR depending on setup, and price used.
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Are you aware I bought an MR with 30lb injectors etc for less than half?
Probably not, but now you know.
It's all in how you shop, I am not saying you can run out and find the deals everyday, but they are there.
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It makes power, and definitely torque seems to be the selling point, I'm just saying lots of talk and not much real world numbers even after all these years.I also agree with 88Z51 that I would never put it on a 421-427 in a C4 all things considered.
I am not knocking the intake, just saying for what it is it's still not the the best unless that is what you are looking for. In that case it may be better than the LT1 style, but as we all know if you can't hook it's pointless, and if you do hook in a c4 with major torque it can be costly.
To go from LT1 style to LTR would make sense if you had 2.59-3.07 gears and wanted a mroe enjoyable car, but I myself don't think this would happen too often.
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stupid statement except for the fact that more people will buy a HSR and modify it, before buying a FIRST, or will go with an SR, MR.So why is this particular gem is so over looked?
Because in the real world we don't just drive 55 (example) and a LTR set up runs out of breath it's proven time and time again.
We all want the adrenaline of a the longest pull we can get, and the intake running out of breath makes that end quicker.
So again, unless a person wants to say "I got a FIRST intake on my LT1" what is the point?
A converter and or gears will do a lot more for the LT1 IMO.
Just a another avenue of sale for a company to expand it's horizons on, not necessarily the a strong option for the consumer.
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Are you aware that I bought an SR for half that, and sold for double?
Are you aware I bought an MR with 30lb injectors etc for less than half?
Probably not, but now you know.
It's all in how you shop, I am not saying you can run out and find the deals everyday, but they are there.
Are you aware I bought an MR with 30lb injectors etc for less than half?
Probably not, but now you know.
It's all in how you shop, I am not saying you can run out and find the deals everyday, but they are there.
Same goes to whoever sold you their MR.
So which one did you put on your car?
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......... I have a FIRST on my '87 MAF equipped 409 ci A4 3.42 D44 ... no dyno info but ran a 7.61 1/8th @ 87 mph and 12.16 1/4 @ 110 mph 1.75ish 60' in hot 91* air ... with "other" issues ... this is in drive from idle with a 2500 stall converter and drag radials ............ I like this intake except for the PITA installation of all the tubes and plenum like stock TPI ......... By the way ... just how long are the intake runners on LT or Mini-Ram intakes ?? .......... These bad-boys gotta be close to 20 inches long .................
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Advertising. (lack of)
Example:
An article was submitted to GM High-Tech comparing his home-grown mega-SLP setup vs a Holley HSR. The article was published (and is still online.) Later the same tester went back with a comparison of the FIRST to the HSR. They said "No thanks". FWIW, Holley was an advertiser. FFI was not. You be the judge.
Accel advertises. Ever see their pricing?
TPIS advertisies. Ditto.
FIRST doesn't. Notice what (intake/TB) you can get for the same price?
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The other issue is EGR compatibility. The FIRST has one but adapting to it is both a question for emissions and DIY'ers. Ask the same people who complain about EGR if they'll put headers on -- or omit cats.
Initially, there may have been a clearance issue (for vettes) too. But, as they say...."It's all good!".
Example:
An article was submitted to GM High-Tech comparing his home-grown mega-SLP setup vs a Holley HSR. The article was published (and is still online.) Later the same tester went back with a comparison of the FIRST to the HSR. They said "No thanks". FWIW, Holley was an advertiser. FFI was not. You be the judge.
Accel advertises. Ever see their pricing?
TPIS advertisies. Ditto.
FIRST doesn't. Notice what (intake/TB) you can get for the same price?
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The other issue is EGR compatibility. The FIRST has one but adapting to it is both a question for emissions and DIY'ers. Ask the same people who complain about EGR if they'll put headers on -- or omit cats.
Initially, there may have been a clearance issue (for vettes) too. But, as they say...."It's all good!".
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Nobody I have dealt with in the Corvette world is an idiot by any means, they are all great people. Good deals come along now and then, The person that bought my SR still got a good deal for what it was, and they are not an idiot for paying what most people would or do pay. In fact they already had one and bought mine too.
Like anything you win some you lose some.
I stuck with the MR. after several intakes.
Yes most of the time these intakes are very costly, but I would say that several here have gotten an SR for about $500 between here and EBAY the last few years.
IIRC someone here, got a real deal on an SR not that long ago in f/s section that was the lowest price I ever seen.
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"Isn't the LS considered long tube runner intake"
Near as I can tell the LSx intake track is around 16" long. What I have seen at the EMC is in the neighborhood of 21" long. This year with the extended rpm range to 7500 will I am sure that will change somewhat.
The LSx intake is designed to pick up the 3rd harmonic wave. The EMC the 2nd harmonic wave and 4th and 3rd as well along the way.
Near as I can tell the LSx intake track is around 16" long. What I have seen at the EMC is in the neighborhood of 21" long. This year with the extended rpm range to 7500 will I am sure that will change somewhat.
The LSx intake is designed to pick up the 3rd harmonic wave. The EMC the 2nd harmonic wave and 4th and 3rd as well along the way.