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Old Sep 7, 2011 | 03:09 PM
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Take a look at this setup
I don't like the packaging of that setup, the YSI also is not capable of make the power I want to be able to have under foot. I looked at the specs of both YSI and F2 supercharger and talked to the tech guys from both company.
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Old Sep 7, 2011 | 03:12 PM
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I don't like the packaging of that setup, the YSI also is not capable of make the power I want to be able to have under foot. I looked at the specs of both YSI and F2 supercharger and talked to the tech guys from both company.
So how much are you looking to make?
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Old Sep 7, 2011 | 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by yedister
I don't like the packaging of that setup, the YSI also is not capable of make the power I want to be able to have under foot. I looked at the specs of both YSI and F2 supercharger and talked to the tech guys from both company.
Meant more the packaging.

There was a guy on here with a supercharged big block a while back
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Old Sep 7, 2011 | 04:02 PM
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here we go

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/memb...tonydee64.html
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Originally Posted by yedister
I was thinking of going to supercharger for my next project because there was no turbo kit with real power for the C4. I had decided that I needed a F2 supercharger but mounting it and keeping from cutting the hood seems to be a problem. Now with the possiblity of ICEVETT dual system, my only question is would dual 67mm turbo be small for a 454. Time for more research.
Twin 67's sized for a 454 is completely dependent on the engine setup. For instance if it is more of a low rpm 5000-6000 rpm motor 67's would be fine maybe even a little laggy depending on the turbine housing.

If it is a 6500-7000rpm race motor than 67's would probably be all out if you desired more than 19-20psi but that would be close to 1400-1500rwhp. I guess throw out some more information and lets discuss it.

Also, have you already built the 454? and is it sbc based or BB?

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Old Sep 7, 2011 | 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by bill mcdonald
So how much are you looking to make?
It must look clean and uncluttered

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Old Sep 7, 2011 | 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by yedister
I was thinking of going to supercharger for my next project because there was no turbo kit with real power for the C4. I had decided that I needed a F2 supercharger but mounting it and keeping from cutting the hood seems to be a problem. Now with the possiblity of ICEVETT dual system, my only question is would dual 67mm turbo be small for a 454. Time for more research.
An F1R or F2R would handle what you want, but you will have to cut the hood, as the volute is just too large to fit between the top of the suspension and the bottom of the hood.
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Old Sep 7, 2011 | 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by lcvette
Twin 67's sized for a 454 is completely dependent on the engine setup. For instance if it is more of a low rpm 5000-6000 rpm motor 67's would be fine maybe even a little laggy depending on the turbine housing.

If it is a 6500-7000rpm race motor than 67's would probably be all out if you desired more than 19-20psi but that would be close to 1400-1500rwhp. I guess throw out some more information and lets discuss it.

Also, have you already built the 454? and is it sbc based or BB?

Chris
Have not built the motor yet, It is a small block. I will be using Dart 9.325 block, Billet 4.125 crank, Billet Ross 4.185 piston coated, Billet Scat 6.125 rods and Brodix GB 2200 heads with Del West Valves. I was thinking of using a Edelbrock 2858 Glidden Victor Spider Intake Manifold, it was ported when used with an 18 degree heads but, not sure if it will flow enough to support the heads. The heads flow 390 CFM at .700, now I found out that the airspeed of the heads might be too fast. More stuff to research. I have all the parts mentioned. From what i was told since it is a 454, it will move air, 76mm was recommended. I don't worry about boost because boost measurement is a restriction. I am concerned with flow, the more flow I can get with lower boost pressure will be sweeter.

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Originally Posted by AKS Racing
An F1R or F2R would handle what you want, but you will have to cut the hood, as the volute is just too large to fit between the top of the suspension and the bottom of the hood.
If Bald turbo freak was around, I imagine he would say it should go where the radiator is.


Or on second thought, He would probably say it needs this.
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Originally Posted by AKS Racing
An F1R or F2R would handle what you want, but you will have to cut the hood, as the volute is just too large to fit between the top of the suspension and the bottom of the hood.
Yes I was thinking that, thanks for busting my bubble
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Originally Posted by bill mcdonald
If Bald turbo freak was around, I imagine he would say it should go where the radiator is.
I did think about getting a radiator built with an opening somehow so I could fit the blower right on the crank, then put a smaller fan on each half. It would really be interesting to see the look on people faces when I open the hood.
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I put my oil cooler out back

I wonder if that would work for the radiator

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Since we hi-jacked this thread, I think it's time for fun with pictures.
front mount turbos/superchargers. and split radiators.














A muscle cars take on brians idea.




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Old Sep 8, 2011 | 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by BrianCunningham
I put my oil cooler out back

I wonder if that would work for the radiator

I have my Oil and transmission cooler back there also.
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Old Sep 8, 2011 | 12:10 PM
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[QUOTE=bill mcdonald;1578639759]Since we hi-jacked this thread, I think it's time for fun with pictures.
front mount turbos/superchargers. and split radiators.



Nice!!



Turbo would Hang way too close to ground, This was the first idea that I looked at.






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is this for an all out drag car? if so that is a complete game changer.. is AC required? Power steering? lets have some more information. and also what was the power goal you had in mind. 67mm turbos on that motor would be plenty fine for some really big power but if you are trying to hit the 1800+ range for a 275 outlaw or 10.5 outlaw class then thats a whole different story. Look forward to hearing some more information!

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Originally Posted by yedister
From what i was told since it is a 454, it will move air, 76mm was recommended. I don't worry about boost because boost measurement is a restriction. I am concerned with flow, the more flow I can get with lower boost pressure will be sweeter.
With regards to this you are correct, but improperly or too small of a turbo and boost pressure will bleed down in the upper RPM's. so while you are correct in saying flow > boost, it is important to remember that boost equals the ability of the compressor to continuously feed flow to the motor. based on the combination you are showing, 67mm units in my opinion will be perfect with alot less lag than 76's, for drag, unless you are just trying to run for fun, i don't think twins fit into many classes so you wouldbe looking at either an 88mm to run in 275 competitions or 275X would allow you to jump into a 106mm single.

for a fun street car, the 67's would be the hot ticket!

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Nice setups, though most of those look they were built from the ground up.

Laying the radiator down is an option on a street car.

Seen it done, nice pics though
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I have my Oil and transmission cooler back there also.
works out nice doesn't it?
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Originally Posted by lcvette
is this for an all out drag car? if so that is a complete game changer.. is AC required? Power steering? lets have some more information. and also what was the power goal you had in mind. 67mm turbos on that motor would be plenty fine for some really big power but if you are trying to hit the 1800+ range for a 275 outlaw or 10.5 outlaw class then thats a whole different story. Look forward to hearing some more information!

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No race car here, just a serious kick *** street car with all of the accessories. The 1800+ horsepower is a figure that I wanted to achieve for bragging reason, it not engraved in stone, I have a buddy that has around 1500 Horsepower at the wheels. I want to turn down the power when driving around town then turn it up when I run top speed event.

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