C4 Tech/Performance L98 Corvette and LT1 Corvette Technical Info, Internal Engine, External Engine

CROSSFIRE NIGHTMARE!!

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Apr 27, 2002 | 01:27 AM
  #1  
Detroit Vette's Avatar
Detroit Vette
Thread Starter
Melting Slicks
 
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 3,335
Likes: 1
Default CROSSFIRE NIGHTMARE!!

I have a forum members 1982 in my shop for upper and lower manifold gaskets. While i was in there i ported the manifold intake ports to enhance flow.
Here is the nightmare. After reassembly, i fired up the car. All was good while i was dialing in the timing. Car was running about 2 minutes. All the sudden this very loud knocking came out of nowhere. It sounded like a bolt was dropped in the motor. Then came the white smoke. I quickly shut down the motor.
Here is what i found. On the underside of the upper manifold there is a tapped hole in the casting with a block off screw to fill the hole. It appears to be a mistake that was made when the machining operation originally took place on the manifold. Either that or it was a mistake on the design end. In any case there solution to this was to put a allen head block screw in there to plug the hole. Then as there idea of a saftey procaution to keep the bolt from loosening, and falling back into the motor. They put a large heap of weld over the screw head. The weld was very crappy. Long story short, what happened was the weld poped off after retorquing the bolts. It was like a bullet bouncing around inside the motor.
I had myself, and another engineer friend of mine document what happened. I also have a friend who is an expert in aluminum welding. He was actually employed by NASA to do the tig welding on the first space shuttle. Who better to examine this weld? He will be coming by my shop in the morning.
I need to know if this was a one time screwup. Or did GM release other cars with this flaw?
I have not yet contacted the owner about this yet. I am hoping he will read it here first as i dont have the heart to tell him personally! :nonod: This guy really loves this car. And for good reason. It only has 27,000 original miles. It still smells new inside. It is also one of a hand full of cars to leave with it's blue paint. It is a nice ride!
I really need to hear from you crossfire experts regarding this. It seems to me he should have some recourse leagally with GM? :U
Reply
Old Apr 27, 2002 | 02:21 AM
  #2  
JOHNL's Avatar
JOHNL
Drifting
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Apr 1999
Posts: 1,484
Likes: 0
From: Tulip City Holland Mar 99 Michigan
Default Re: CROSSFIRE NIGHTMARE!! (sdixon)

Go to this web site and ask its all Crossfire. I've never heard of what Your talking about so I don't think its a built in flaw. http://www.crossfire.webhop.net/
Reply
Old Apr 27, 2002 | 03:48 AM
  #3  
nsimmons's Avatar
nsimmons
Burning Brakes
 
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 904
Likes: 0
From: Langley, BC, Canada
Default Re: CROSSFIRE NIGHTMARE!! (JOHNL)

that is definitley not factory, some goober tried to fix his mistake
Reply
Old Apr 27, 2002 | 11:30 AM
  #4  
JoBy's Avatar
JoBy
Melting Slicks
25 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 2,147
Likes: 302
From: Timra, Sweden
Default Re: CROSSFIRE NIGHTMARE!! (sdixon)

I think that it is like that from the factory.

Is the plug straight below the fuel pressure regulator on the rear TBI?







I suspect that they assemble the lid with the TBI's, adjust the fuel pressure thru the access hole, and then weld the allen plug in place.
Reply
Old Apr 27, 2002 | 12:06 PM
  #5  
Detroit Vette's Avatar
Detroit Vette
Thread Starter
Melting Slicks
 
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 3,335
Likes: 1
Default Re: CROSSFIRE NIGHTMARE!! (JoBy)

So it is an access hole? That would make sense.
Reply
Old Apr 27, 2002 | 04:17 PM
  #6  
nsimmons's Avatar
nsimmons
Burning Brakes
 
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 904
Likes: 0
From: Langley, BC, Canada
Default Re: CROSSFIRE NIGHTMARE!! (sdixon)

oh yeah...mine has that, i guess with a picture it made more sense..
Reply
Old Apr 27, 2002 | 07:42 PM
  #7  
CFI-EFI's Avatar
CFI-EFI
Race Director
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 17,298
Likes: 33
From: The Top of Utah
Default Re: CROSSFIRE NIGHTMARE!! (JoBy)

I doubt that hole was used to adjust fuel pressure. It may have been so long since you removed it, Jonas, that you forgot, but the regulator has a plug in it that would prevent adjusting the pressure, even through the lid hole. Unless, of course they could plug the regulator from under there too.

All of this speculation is of little solace to sdixon, who STILL has to break the news to the car owner. Good luck going after GM, 20 years later.
Reply
Old Apr 27, 2002 | 10:30 PM
  #8  
JoBy's Avatar
JoBy
Melting Slicks
25 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 2,147
Likes: 302
From: Timra, Sweden
Default Re: CROSSFIRE NIGHTMARE!! (CFI-EFI)

I still have that plug installed. I think that it is possible to install both plugs with the TBI monted to the lid.

IF the adjusted the fuel pressure at the factory then I don't think that they disasembled the TBI afterwards to install the plug in the regulator. That means that they must have been able to install the regulator plug thru the hole in the TB under the regulator. If they could do that then they could install it thru the access hole in the lid too.
Reply
Corvette Stories

The Best of Corvette for Corvette Enthusiasts

story-0

5 Reasons to Upgrade to an LS6-Powered Corvette; 5 Reasons to Stay LT2

 Michael S. Palmer
story-1

2027 Corvette vs The World: Every Model vs Closest Competitor

 Joe Kucinski
story-2

10 Most Common Corvette Problems of the Last 20 Years!

 Joe Kucinski
story-3

5 MOST and 5 LEAST Popular Corvette Model Years in History!

 Joe Kucinski
story-4

2027 Corvette Buyer's Guide: Everything You Need to Know!

 Joe Kucinski
story-5

10 Things C8 Corvette Owners Hate (But Won't Tell You)

 Joe Kucinski
story-6

10 Best Corvettes Coming to Barrett-Jackson Palm Beach 2026!

 Brett Foote
story-7

Every Corvette Grand Sport Explained! (C2, C4, C6, C7, & C8)

 Joe Kucinski
story-8

Grand Sport & Grand Sport X Launch Alongside All-New 535hp LS6 V8!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-9

5 Reasons Bad Drivers Crash & 5 Ways to Avoid a Costly Mistake!

 Joe Kucinski
Old Apr 27, 2002 | 10:39 PM
  #9  
GlockLT4's Avatar
GlockLT4
Team Owner
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 22,267
Likes: 3
From: Dallas TX
Default Re: CROSSFIRE NIGHTMARE!! (CFI-EFI)

Good luck going after GM, 20 years later.
no kidding!
Reply

Get notified of new replies

To CROSSFIRE NIGHTMARE!!





All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:07 PM.

story-0
5 Reasons to Upgrade to an LS6-Powered Corvette; 5 Reasons to Stay LT2

Slideshow: Should you buy a 2020-2026 Corvette or wait for 2027?

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-04-22 10:08:58


VIEW MORE
story-1
2027 Corvette vs The World: Every Model vs Closest Competitor

Slideshow: 2027 Corvette lineup vs the world.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-20 17:58:41


VIEW MORE
story-2
10 Most Common Corvette Problems of the Last 20 Years!

Slideshow: 10 major Corvette problems from the last 20 years.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-14 16:37:05


VIEW MORE
story-3
5 MOST and 5 LEAST Popular Corvette Model Years in History!

Slideshow: 5 most and least popular Corvette model years.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-08 13:25:01


VIEW MORE
story-4
2027 Corvette Buyer's Guide: Everything You Need to Know!

Slideshow: 2027 Corvette buyer's guide

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-17 16:41:08


VIEW MORE
story-5
10 Things C8 Corvette Owners Hate (But Won't Tell You)

Slideshow: 10 things C8 Corvette owners hate, but won't tell you.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-01 18:36:07


VIEW MORE
story-6
10 Best Corvettes Coming to Barrett-Jackson Palm Beach 2026!

Slideshow: Should you add one of these incredible Corvettes to your garage?

By Brett Foote | 2026-04-01 18:14:05


VIEW MORE
story-7
Every Corvette Grand Sport Explained! (C2, C4, C6, C7, & C8)

Slideshow: Every Corvette Grand Sport explained

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-03-26 07:13:44


VIEW MORE
story-8
Grand Sport & Grand Sport X Launch Alongside All-New 535hp LS6 V8!

Slideshow: Breaking down the 2027 Grand Sport, Grand Sport X, Stingray, and LS6 V8.

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-03-26 13:48:45


VIEW MORE
story-9
5 Reasons Bad Drivers Crash & 5 Ways to Avoid a Costly Mistake!

Slideshow: 5 reasons bad drivers crash sports cars & 5 ways to avoid a costly shame!

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-03-25 16:32:55


VIEW MORE