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Renegade Manifold Installation
Racer
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From: state of insanity
Just my two cents; installation of an aftermarket intake on any motor is no big deal. i have always dry fit everything before final assy.. After market manifold builders, rather it be edlebrock,holley, weiand,etc.have to build tolerances in. they don't know if you have square decked the block 10 ,20 thousands.or cleaned up the heads 5,10 thousands. now your at maybe 40 thousands lower then oem specs. thats right you may have to do some work on the intake to line up and seal. sounds to me the manufacturer of the renegade has gone out of there way to satisfy the original poster. any after market manufacturer has no idea of the abilities of the buyers mechanical experience. what is a pain to one person is no big deal to the next. the complaining of something as simple as a bolt not having clearence or is to short or long. w.t.f. get a correct bolt. before grinding a socket or a manifold, get a grade 8 allen head bolt. problem solved. if a casting is bad,or a mold shifted, quality control tries to check and catch these things. sometimes things slip by. i applaud the manufacturer jumping in, and getting on here trying to explain there side. he said he'ed pay shipping and give a full return. take advantage of his generious offer. and i would bet he would even offer a new intake. but i'm sorry to say if you want to install this you may need to find a competent mechanic to help out. the other thing is valve cover removal. take advantage of the tear down pulling the valve covers gives you the chance to check your valve train and components for wear, and to check valve adjustment. sorry to vent, but some people are pretty good parts replacers,and others are mechanics. and some need to leave the hood closed.
Melting Slicks
Joined: Jan 2005
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From: Clifton Park NY
As for qws (slrvette) and his comments, really dude? quote...
Unfortunetly this is what you run into when you dealing with a small business that has had numerous foundries work on this product. Then add it the fact that 1 of the 2 people last I knew went to another state. From what i understand this is a business that is basically a backyard garage. I've heard nothing but complaints especially when it comes to trying to call or email them.
And I agree all those problems the OP has had are DCS fault.
Its to bad they just don't put there pride aside and sell the mold to someone like Edelbrock. someone that can back up the product and has the resources to produce it.
WOW again! You seem to know more about our business and lives than we do, awesome! However, this speaks volumes of you and how little you really know about what we are doing and about the manufacturing process and how complicated creating a manifold really is. Maybe we should call you and get some advise/tips on how to run a business. I'm sure you have all the answers handy.
It's pretty easy to sit back and start criticizing isn't it? Riddle me this...When was the last time you did anything to help or make a major impact in a meaningful way for the CF world except being a keyboard commando on the forums...Huh? Tell me, I'm all ears. I'd be careful what you say about DCS as well, we are a business. Jus sayin'.
It's always amazes me that there are always a handful of people on the various forums that have nothing better to do with their life but than to stir things up just because; they always want to take a jab at you, It's sad, you know who you are.
This is one reason why we don't go to the forums anymore, they are not what they used to be. Now it's always the same people with the same bla, bla, bla... I just happened on this one tonight for the first time in a very long time, wish I hadn't now that I found this. I was right though, its the same few people with the same jabs and bla, bla...
Don, my guess is that we'll be giving you a call tomorrow to discuss all this. We've been waiting for your return call liked we talked about last week, so we'd know what we needed to do, but you never responded and came here instead to vent. Thanks for your support and have a great day.
Unfortunetly this is what you run into when you dealing with a small business that has had numerous foundries work on this product. Then add it the fact that 1 of the 2 people last I knew went to another state. From what i understand this is a business that is basically a backyard garage. I've heard nothing but complaints especially when it comes to trying to call or email them.
And I agree all those problems the OP has had are DCS fault.
Its to bad they just don't put there pride aside and sell the mold to someone like Edelbrock. someone that can back up the product and has the resources to produce it.
WOW again! You seem to know more about our business and lives than we do, awesome! However, this speaks volumes of you and how little you really know about what we are doing and about the manufacturing process and how complicated creating a manifold really is. Maybe we should call you and get some advise/tips on how to run a business. I'm sure you have all the answers handy.
It's pretty easy to sit back and start criticizing isn't it? Riddle me this...When was the last time you did anything to help or make a major impact in a meaningful way for the CF world except being a keyboard commando on the forums...Huh? Tell me, I'm all ears. I'd be careful what you say about DCS as well, we are a business. Jus sayin'.
It's always amazes me that there are always a handful of people on the various forums that have nothing better to do with their life but than to stir things up just because; they always want to take a jab at you, It's sad, you know who you are.
This is one reason why we don't go to the forums anymore, they are not what they used to be. Now it's always the same people with the same bla, bla, bla... I just happened on this one tonight for the first time in a very long time, wish I hadn't now that I found this. I was right though, its the same few people with the same jabs and bla, bla...
Don, my guess is that we'll be giving you a call tomorrow to discuss all this. We've been waiting for your return call liked we talked about last week, so we'd know what we needed to do, but you never responded and came here instead to vent. Thanks for your support and have a great day.
For what it is worth Edelbrock is not interested. The market is too small for them - that is what they have told us. We have however dropped off the tooling to a company in Ontario Cal last week. We are working with them on the manufactruing of the Renegade. Hopefully our discussions will bear some good fruit.
Hey qws (slrvet or whatever) - you would not believe the number of aluminum cans we have to gather and melt down to make a Renegade in our "backyard garage". I try to stay away from Chineese beer - too much slag floats to the top for my liking. I think the Renegades come out pretty good. But that is me.
Next rock please.....
Hey qws (slrvet or whatever) - you would not believe the number of aluminum cans we have to gather and melt down to make a Renegade in our "backyard garage". I try to stay away from Chineese beer - too much slag floats to the top for my liking. I think the Renegades come out pretty good. But that is me.
Next rock please.....
As you know I'm a member of several boards and do speak openly and thru PM's with my opinions.
I can recall on several occassions with posts involving customers that aren't getting responses or are upset with wait times. Honestly its not my problem.
I run a small business as well so I completely understand not being able to make 100% of every customer happy.
So your on your 3rd foundry?
Since you first came out with it are all the backorders filled from 3 years ago?
Are we able to purchase it now? Since you halted that I think it was about a year ago?.......just sayin...
I'd be careful what you say about DCS as well, we are a business. Jus sayin'
- and this means exactly what??...Your not a paid vendor here...but with these threads it looks to be free advertising for you..
I'd be happy to post my dyno results of a hypertech chip vs DCS chip on a stock CFI if you'd like.
Last edited by qws; Feb 8, 2012 at 02:19 PM.
Cruising
Joined: Jan 2012
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From: Post Falls Idaho
What were your results with the chips
Touchy aren't we on the "backyard garage" comment. Unfortunetly you want to take it out of context of what I meant. But thats ok, I don't take it personal, and maybe you shouldn't as well.
As you know I'm a member of several boards and do speak openly and thru PM's with my opinions.
I can recall on several occassions with posts involving customers that aren't getting responses or are upset with wait times. Honestly its not my problem.
I run a small business as well so I completely understand not being able to make 100% of every customer happy.
So your on your 3rd foundry?
Since you first came out with it are all the backorders filled from 3 years ago?
Are we able to purchase it now? Since you halted that I think it was about a year ago?.......just sayin...
I'd be careful what you say about DCS as well, we are a business. Jus sayin'
- and this means exactly what??...Your not a paid vendor here...but with these threads it looks to be free advertising for you..
I'd be happy to post my dyno results of a hypertech chip vs DCS chip on a stock CFI if you'd like.
As you know I'm a member of several boards and do speak openly and thru PM's with my opinions.
I can recall on several occassions with posts involving customers that aren't getting responses or are upset with wait times. Honestly its not my problem.
I run a small business as well so I completely understand not being able to make 100% of every customer happy.
So your on your 3rd foundry?
Since you first came out with it are all the backorders filled from 3 years ago?
Are we able to purchase it now? Since you halted that I think it was about a year ago?.......just sayin...
I'd be careful what you say about DCS as well, we are a business. Jus sayin'
- and this means exactly what??...Your not a paid vendor here...but with these threads it looks to be free advertising for you..
I'd be happy to post my dyno results of a hypertech chip vs DCS chip on a stock CFI if you'd like.
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From: Bangkok, Thailand
Thicker valve cover gaskets worked just fine for me. Simple fix and as has been said already, not unusual at all on SBC's. The Renegade is a GREAT piece. It may take a while to get, but it's certainly worth the wait.
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After installing the distributor I noticed that it was slighly cocked to the right. Putting a level on the top of the manifold plate I saw that it was fairly level (the bubble inside the marks). Setting the level on top of the rotor, the bubble is completely to the left in the level. I removed the distributor and looking straight down (somewhat subjective I know) but the part that engages the distributor is to the left. I reinstalled the distributor but get the same result. I don't remember it being cocked when I removed it from the original manifold but I was not paying attention to it either.
Take it and install an HSR
Team Owner
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From: altered state
St. Jude Donor '05
if the manifold was off like that you wouldnt be able to get the teeth to engage to the cam gear. Motors do sit a little off and tilted backwards on most cars to an extent. Its probaby fine. That oil pump shaft can move around on you.
that was the Exhaust the tune was off.
Safety Car
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From: Arizona - If you don’t know CFI, STOP proliferating the myths around it...
I'll just refer back to my original post and re-post this...
For reference, here is a "direct quote" from our instructions:
NOTE: PLEASE study these guidelines carefully before attempting this installation. This removal and installation can be accomplished with common hand tools (with the exception of torque and fitting/line wrenches) and good mechanic practices. However, you should be familiar with and be comfortable working on your vehicle. If you do not feel comfortable performing this removal and installation process, it is highly recommended to have the installation process completed by a qualified automotive mechanic or a reputable automotive shop. If you have any questions, please call us.
Really!? That is supposed to be like that. There has to be a slant in the manifold seat where the distributor sits so that the gears on the distributor and cam mesh properly.
As far as a refund goes, you modified the manifold now and we can't give you a refund, sorry. You should have taken our offer when we suggested it to you several times. Anything else? I give up and refuse to reply anymore to this thread.
For reference, here is a "direct quote" from our instructions:
NOTE: PLEASE study these guidelines carefully before attempting this installation. This removal and installation can be accomplished with common hand tools (with the exception of torque and fitting/line wrenches) and good mechanic practices. However, you should be familiar with and be comfortable working on your vehicle. If you do not feel comfortable performing this removal and installation process, it is highly recommended to have the installation process completed by a qualified automotive mechanic or a reputable automotive shop. If you have any questions, please call us.
Really!? That is supposed to be like that. There has to be a slant in the manifold seat where the distributor sits so that the gears on the distributor and cam mesh properly.
As far as a refund goes, you modified the manifold now and we can't give you a refund, sorry. You should have taken our offer when we suggested it to you several times. Anything else? I give up and refuse to reply anymore to this thread.
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