Renegade Manifold Installation
Melting Slicks
Joined: Jan 2005
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From: Clifton Park NY
Is it just me ?
Seems to be a very poor attitude from dcs, customer has questions and even vents a bit. All 3 of there posts in my opinion have been on the negative side. Now the poster sits with there product and who knows how he will be treated in the future. Seems like if you disagree with them they get all bent out of shape.
Thank goodness companies like fast,Holley,edelbrock and many others treat there customers with some respect and not say.....I'm done with this!
Seems to be a very poor attitude from dcs, customer has questions and even vents a bit. All 3 of there posts in my opinion have been on the negative side. Now the poster sits with there product and who knows how he will be treated in the future. Seems like if you disagree with them they get all bent out of shape.
Thank goodness companies like fast,Holley,edelbrock and many others treat there customers with some respect and not say.....I'm done with this!
Le Mans Master
Joined: Jul 2007
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From: Tampa Florida
..... I have no idea if you are really who you say you are (DCS troll) but one thing is for sure though - you're an "A" hole. 
Racer
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From: state of insanity
I'll just refer back to my original post and re-post this...
For reference, here is a "direct quote" from our instructions:
NOTE: PLEASE study these guidelines carefully before attempting this installation. This removal and installation can be accomplished with common hand tools (with the exception of torque and fitting/line wrenches) and good mechanic practices. However, you should be familiar with and be comfortable working on your vehicle. If you do not feel comfortable performing this removal and installation process, it is highly recommended to have the installation process completed by a qualified automotive mechanic or a reputable automotive shop. If you have any questions, please call us.
Really!? That is supposed to be like that. There has to be a slant in the manifold seat where the distributor sits so that the gears on the distributor and cam mesh properly.
As far as a refund goes, you modified the manifold now and we can't give you a refund, sorry. You should have taken our offer when we suggested it to you several times. Anything else? I give up and refuse to reply anymore to this thread.
For reference, here is a "direct quote" from our instructions:
NOTE: PLEASE study these guidelines carefully before attempting this installation. This removal and installation can be accomplished with common hand tools (with the exception of torque and fitting/line wrenches) and good mechanic practices. However, you should be familiar with and be comfortable working on your vehicle. If you do not feel comfortable performing this removal and installation process, it is highly recommended to have the installation process completed by a qualified automotive mechanic or a reputable automotive shop. If you have any questions, please call us.
Really!? That is supposed to be like that. There has to be a slant in the manifold seat where the distributor sits so that the gears on the distributor and cam mesh properly.
As far as a refund goes, you modified the manifold now and we can't give you a refund, sorry. You should have taken our offer when we suggested it to you several times. Anything else? I give up and refuse to reply anymore to this thread.
Le Mans Master
Joined: Aug 2010
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I'll just refer back to my original post and re-post this...
For reference, here is a "direct quote" from our instructions:
NOTE: PLEASE study these guidelines carefully before attempting this installation. This removal and installation can be accomplished with common hand tools (with the exception of torque and fitting/line wrenches) and good mechanic practices. However, you should be familiar with and be comfortable working on your vehicle. If you do not feel comfortable performing this removal and installation process, it is highly recommended to have the installation process completed by a qualified automotive mechanic or a reputable automotive shop. If you have any questions, please call us.
Really!? That is supposed to be like that. There has to be a slant in the manifold seat where the distributor sits so that the gears on the distributor and cam mesh properly.
As far as a refund goes, you modified the manifold now and we can't give you a refund, sorry. You should have taken our offer when we suggested it to you several times. Anything else? I give up and refuse to reply anymore to this thread.
For reference, here is a "direct quote" from our instructions:
NOTE: PLEASE study these guidelines carefully before attempting this installation. This removal and installation can be accomplished with common hand tools (with the exception of torque and fitting/line wrenches) and good mechanic practices. However, you should be familiar with and be comfortable working on your vehicle. If you do not feel comfortable performing this removal and installation process, it is highly recommended to have the installation process completed by a qualified automotive mechanic or a reputable automotive shop. If you have any questions, please call us.
Really!? That is supposed to be like that. There has to be a slant in the manifold seat where the distributor sits so that the gears on the distributor and cam mesh properly.
As far as a refund goes, you modified the manifold now and we can't give you a refund, sorry. You should have taken our offer when we suggested it to you several times. Anything else? I give up and refuse to reply anymore to this thread.
Team Owner
Joined: Dec 2007
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Is it just me ?
Seems to be a very poor attitude from dcs, customer has questions and even vents a bit. All 3 of there posts in my opinion have been on the negative side. Now the poster sits with there product and who knows how he will be treated in the future. Seems like if you disagree with them they get all bent out of shape.
Thank goodness companies like fast,Holley,edelbrock and many others treat there customers with some respect and not say.....I'm done with this!
Seems to be a very poor attitude from dcs, customer has questions and even vents a bit. All 3 of there posts in my opinion have been on the negative side. Now the poster sits with there product and who knows how he will be treated in the future. Seems like if you disagree with them they get all bent out of shape.
Thank goodness companies like fast,Holley,edelbrock and many others treat there customers with some respect and not say.....I'm done with this!
Racer
Joined: Sep 2011
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From: Ormond Beach Florida
WOW! Where do I start? To all that are reading this post... We, (DCS) have gone out of our way to help Don out. We have talked to him on numerous occasions and have been "more" than willing to refund his money in "full", all he had to do was pull the trigger and we'd make that happen. We also said we would pay at our expense for "all" shipping back and forth...Please don't make us out to be the bad guys, ok, it's not fair to us when you do that and make this look one sided.
Anyone that has been in business or is currently in business knows that you can't make 100% of the people happy, 100% of the time, but we do try.
This is a rather straight forward job and we did try and cover most bases in the instructions, but we also figured that most of the people that would do this task would have the experience to do the job with little or no help from instructions anyway. We can't make them 100% fool proof no matter what, nobody can...sorry.
For reference, here is a "direct quote" from our instructions:
NOTE: PLEASE study these guidelines carefully before attempting this installation. This removal and installation can be accomplished with common hand tools (with the exception of torque and fitting/line wrenches) and good mechanic practices. However, you should be familiar with and be comfortable working on your vehicle. If you do not feel comfortable performing this removal and installation process, it is highly recommended to have the installation process completed by a qualified automotive mechanic or a reputable automotive shop. If you have any questions, please call us.
What can I say. Anyone can download these instructions and read this for themselves.
You have had some rather crazy issues with your manifold I agree and they are not the norm I assure you, again we said we would give you a full refund at your request if you were not happy, you didn't.
Yours to date is the only one with the issues you are having except the valve covers being a tad close. The plenum area is 20% greater than stock and we did plan for that in the pattern making process, but anomalies do exist from motor to motor and we can't plan for everything that might happen. We have had three or four customers say that as well, but after loosening them up or removing them they were good to go, no big deal.
The pics you sent us with the cover issue were nice and thanks. You obviously had some really leaky covers evidenced by all the oil and grime covering the block. I for one wouldn't have glued down my valve covers to make them seal vs. doing it the right way, but that's just me.
As for qws (slrvette) and his comments, really dude? quote...
Unfortunetly this is what you run into when you dealing with a small business that has had numerous foundries work on this product. Then add it the fact that 1 of the 2 people last I knew went to another state. From what i understand this is a business that is basically a backyard garage. I've heard nothing but complaints especially when it comes to trying to call or email them.
And I agree all those problems the OP has had are DCS fault.
Its to bad they just don't put there pride aside and sell the mold to someone like Edelbrock. someone that can back up the product and has the resources to produce it.
WOW again! You seem to know more about our business and lives than we do, awesome! However, this speaks volumes of you and how little you really know about what we are doing and about the manufacturing process and how complicated creating a manifold really is. Maybe we should call you and get some advise/tips on how to run a business. I'm sure you have all the answers handy.
It's pretty easy to sit back and start criticizing isn't it? Riddle me this...When was the last time you did anything to help or make a major impact in a meaningful way for the CF world except being a keyboard commando on the forums...Huh? Tell me, I'm all ears. I'd be careful what you say about DCS as well, we are a business. Jus sayin'.
It's always amazes me that there are always a handful of people on the various forums that have nothing better to do with their life but than to stir things up just because; they always want to take a jab at you, It's sad, you know who you are.
This is one reason why we don't go to the forums anymore, they are not what they used to be. Now it's always the same people with the same bla, bla, bla... I just happened on this one tonight for the first time in a very long time, wish I hadn't now that I found this. I was right though, its the same few people with the same jabs and bla, bla...
Don, my guess is that we'll be giving you a call tomorrow to discuss all this. We've been waiting for your return call liked we talked about last week, so we'd know what we needed to do, but you never responded and came here instead to vent. Thanks for your support and have a great day.
Anyone that has been in business or is currently in business knows that you can't make 100% of the people happy, 100% of the time, but we do try.
This is a rather straight forward job and we did try and cover most bases in the instructions, but we also figured that most of the people that would do this task would have the experience to do the job with little or no help from instructions anyway. We can't make them 100% fool proof no matter what, nobody can...sorry.
For reference, here is a "direct quote" from our instructions:
NOTE: PLEASE study these guidelines carefully before attempting this installation. This removal and installation can be accomplished with common hand tools (with the exception of torque and fitting/line wrenches) and good mechanic practices. However, you should be familiar with and be comfortable working on your vehicle. If you do not feel comfortable performing this removal and installation process, it is highly recommended to have the installation process completed by a qualified automotive mechanic or a reputable automotive shop. If you have any questions, please call us.
What can I say. Anyone can download these instructions and read this for themselves.
You have had some rather crazy issues with your manifold I agree and they are not the norm I assure you, again we said we would give you a full refund at your request if you were not happy, you didn't.
Yours to date is the only one with the issues you are having except the valve covers being a tad close. The plenum area is 20% greater than stock and we did plan for that in the pattern making process, but anomalies do exist from motor to motor and we can't plan for everything that might happen. We have had three or four customers say that as well, but after loosening them up or removing them they were good to go, no big deal.
The pics you sent us with the cover issue were nice and thanks. You obviously had some really leaky covers evidenced by all the oil and grime covering the block. I for one wouldn't have glued down my valve covers to make them seal vs. doing it the right way, but that's just me.
As for qws (slrvette) and his comments, really dude? quote...
Unfortunetly this is what you run into when you dealing with a small business that has had numerous foundries work on this product. Then add it the fact that 1 of the 2 people last I knew went to another state. From what i understand this is a business that is basically a backyard garage. I've heard nothing but complaints especially when it comes to trying to call or email them.
And I agree all those problems the OP has had are DCS fault.
Its to bad they just don't put there pride aside and sell the mold to someone like Edelbrock. someone that can back up the product and has the resources to produce it.
WOW again! You seem to know more about our business and lives than we do, awesome! However, this speaks volumes of you and how little you really know about what we are doing and about the manufacturing process and how complicated creating a manifold really is. Maybe we should call you and get some advise/tips on how to run a business. I'm sure you have all the answers handy.
It's pretty easy to sit back and start criticizing isn't it? Riddle me this...When was the last time you did anything to help or make a major impact in a meaningful way for the CF world except being a keyboard commando on the forums...Huh? Tell me, I'm all ears. I'd be careful what you say about DCS as well, we are a business. Jus sayin'.
It's always amazes me that there are always a handful of people on the various forums that have nothing better to do with their life but than to stir things up just because; they always want to take a jab at you, It's sad, you know who you are.
This is one reason why we don't go to the forums anymore, they are not what they used to be. Now it's always the same people with the same bla, bla, bla... I just happened on this one tonight for the first time in a very long time, wish I hadn't now that I found this. I was right though, its the same few people with the same jabs and bla, bla...
Don, my guess is that we'll be giving you a call tomorrow to discuss all this. We've been waiting for your return call liked we talked about last week, so we'd know what we needed to do, but you never responded and came here instead to vent. Thanks for your support and have a great day.
Racer
Joined: Oct 2012
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From: Spokane WA
I have a renegade and it runs great. I finally found a stock 84 vette with a cat back exhaust, chip, k&n. I have a renegade on my crossfire we raced from the lights from Krispy cremes to toys r us. The renegade walked away from the stock crossfire. Then we started from a rolling start onto the freeway and once I hit about 3000 rpm the renegade came alive and left the stock crossfire. Now my new friend with the stock crossfire wants a renegade. I hope DCS is still taking orders.
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I have a renegade and it runs great. I finally found a stock 84 vette with a cat back exhaust, chip, k&n. I have a renegade on my crossfire we raced from the lights from Krispy cremes to toys r us. The renegade walked away from the stock crossfire. Then we started from a rolling start onto the freeway and once I hit about 3000 rpm the renegade came alive and left the stock crossfire. Now my new friend with the stock crossfire wants a renegade. I hope DCS is still taking orders.
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I have a renegade and it runs great. I finally found a stock 84 vette with a cat back exhaust, chip, k&n. I have a renegade on my crossfire we raced from the lights from Krispy cremes to toys r us. The renegade walked away from the stock crossfire. Then we started from a rolling start onto the freeway and once I hit about 3000 rpm the renegade came alive and left the stock crossfire. Now my new friend with the stock crossfire wants a renegade. I hope DCS is still taking orders.
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Removing the valve cover gaskets is a great idea unless you did this a year ago and sealed them with permatex. It took me 2 hours to get the driver's side off and that is the easy one. It will probably take me another hour to get the gasket off the valve cover and cleaned up. I am pretty pi$$ed at DCS for not telling this would need to be done.
There are other things they don't tell you like you will have to use all 1" bolts to secure the manifold (the corners are 1.25" and bottom out because the DCS manifold is thinner the the stock at these places.
There is a bracket that bolts to the manifold plate that does not line up either. Anyone considering installing one of these should think twice. It is a huge frustrating job. I have not got to installing the TB's yet. I wonder what other joys await me.
There are other things they don't tell you like you will have to use all 1" bolts to secure the manifold (the corners are 1.25" and bottom out because the DCS manifold is thinner the the stock at these places.
There is a bracket that bolts to the manifold plate that does not line up either. Anyone considering installing one of these should think twice. It is a huge frustrating job. I have not got to installing the TB's yet. I wonder what other joys await me.
Don't know much about this manifold or company but in my humble opinion it sounds llike you are getting frustrated over very minor/common wrenching issues. It also sounds like you are fairly new to this magnitude of a project. It is good to see you are wrenching on your vehicle for that is the best way to learn what makes them tick. On a scale of 1-10 this is probably a 5 or 6 at the most in terms of complication. Relax and learn as you go. Working on your toy is supposed to be challenging,learning and a fun experience, this is where the self satisfaction of a completed project comes from. Don't rush, take a deap breath, have a beer or two and press-on. Personaly I am never satisfied with any aftermarket product and have to put my own touches/flavor on them before installing, (OCD). They can always be made better, smoother, lighter, more pretty, etc. If the company did all that for you the product would cost twice as much and take twice as long to make. Look on the brite side, next time you do this type of project it will take half the time and you will know all the little quirkes.With experience comes some frustration. Enjoy your work and post some pics of the finish product
Last edited by C4vettrn; Nov 9, 2012 at 08:28 PM.
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