1990 wont hardly run
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1990 wont hardly run
Well it ran fine on the way to work then on the way home it stalled nd wouldn't start unless i had it at half throttle.
Once it started it was smoking black bad anymore than half or less it wouldnt run, i pulled the codes and it was 41 and 45.
says cam sensor or electronic spark timing circit open or shorted.
So where is the cam sensor located in the distributor? or is it just a bad distributor?
Once it started it was smoking black bad anymore than half or less it wouldnt run, i pulled the codes and it was 41 and 45.
says cam sensor or electronic spark timing circit open or shorted.
So where is the cam sensor located in the distributor? or is it just a bad distributor?
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ok fuel injectors dont have enough power to turn on, they turn on but too low to start. is there something in the distributor that controlds the voltage to injectors?
Last edited by Sam5828; Apr 25, 2012 at 06:47 PM.
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Did you check the FPR for a ruptured diaphragm as C409 advised? If no fuel in the vacuum hose the FPR should be ok.
Still using the stock multi tech injectors? If so they are suspect as they tend to short out. The 90 is batch fire, one malfunctioning injector can effect the operation of the others. Ohm test the injectors engine cold & engine hot.
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Still using the stock multi tech injectors? If so they are suspect as they tend to short out. The 90 is batch fire, one malfunctioning injector can effect the operation of the others. Ohm test the injectors engine cold & engine hot.
GL
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Did you check the FPR for a ruptured diaphragm as C409 advised? If no fuel in the vacuum hose the FPR should be ok.
Still using the stock multi tech injectors? If so they are suspect as they tend to short out. The 90 is batch fire, one malfunctioning injector can effect the operation of the others. Ohm test the injectors engine cold & engine hot.
GL
Still using the stock multi tech injectors? If so they are suspect as they tend to short out. The 90 is batch fire, one malfunctioning injector can effect the operation of the others. Ohm test the injectors engine cold & engine hot.
GL
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Since you have 65psi at the rail I assume the engine is "built" to take that much pressure???
That black smoke sounds like way too much fuel; is there fuel smell in the FRP vac line?
That black smoke sounds like way too much fuel; is there fuel smell in the FRP vac line?
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I didnt know it had that much till tested it. It is stock all but pcmfor less chip. Like I said it has been running fine just acted up on the way home from work and started the black smoke and would only run on half throttle no more and no less. And will not start now.
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Remove the vacuum line from the fuel pressure regulator and turn on the key. If fuel comes out of the FPR then the diaphragm is ruptured. It will send fuel into the plenum and cause nasty stuff to happen (mine caught on fire).
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When i turn the key over and check voltage at injector plug it is 0 but when i turn the key it is .5 volts. shouldnt it have 12 volts with the key on?
Could it be a 02 sensor since it was rich before it died completely.
Pick up coil check out at 800 ohm
has new cap, rotor, Ign control module
could it be the ECM? If so how can i check it?
each injector was 14 ohm
bypassed oil pressure switch
checked tps and it was good
Could it be a 02 sensor since it was rich before it died completely.
Pick up coil check out at 800 ohm
has new cap, rotor, Ign control module
could it be the ECM? If so how can i check it?
each injector was 14 ohm
bypassed oil pressure switch
checked tps and it was good
Last edited by Sam5828; Apr 27, 2012 at 02:57 PM.
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It probably will not restart due to fouled spark plugs.
You have to much fuel pressure. Either the fuel return line to the tank is plugged/kinked or the FPR is not functioning properly.
Check the motor oil for fuel contamination.
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You have to much fuel pressure. Either the fuel return line to the tank is plugged/kinked or the FPR is not functioning properly.
Check the motor oil for fuel contamination.
GL
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The injectors do not have enough voltage to turn on. They are .5 volts at cranking and 0 at key on.
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Check the EGR valve to make sure it is not stuck open or leaking. See if it moves smooth.
Check out and look for any broken vacuum fitting or line.
Check out the IAC, might be stuck. It might cause similar symptoms.
I was also thinking TPS was that is probably a stretch.
Check out and look for any broken vacuum fitting or line.
Check out the IAC, might be stuck. It might cause similar symptoms.
I was also thinking TPS was that is probably a stretch.
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OK a update.
We got it running changed all the plugs and it fired up not great but it did, drove it for a little bit and seem to get better. But had it running for about 10 sec at first checked all the sensors on scan tool and the MAT sensor was reading 176* there is no way it could of been that hot car only ran 10 sec. But after we took it for a drive it went down to about 120*. So just wondering if this is bad also.
Next thing Alternator ony is reading 13 v down to 12 V. so im hoping it just got too lolw and screwed everything up and caused this mess. What do you all think?
Also one other thing my distance to empty and average mileage isnt working, DTE shows 0 and AM is showing 69
We got it running changed all the plugs and it fired up not great but it did, drove it for a little bit and seem to get better. But had it running for about 10 sec at first checked all the sensors on scan tool and the MAT sensor was reading 176* there is no way it could of been that hot car only ran 10 sec. But after we took it for a drive it went down to about 120*. So just wondering if this is bad also.
Next thing Alternator ony is reading 13 v down to 12 V. so im hoping it just got too lolw and screwed everything up and caused this mess. What do you all think?
Also one other thing my distance to empty and average mileage isnt working, DTE shows 0 and AM is showing 69
Last edited by Sam5828; Apr 30, 2012 at 09:08 PM.
