Brodix ik180 or afr180
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Brodix ik180 or afr180
So I now need to get my compression down... I can't even go wide open anymore and it pings under heavy load... My remedy? New heads! This thing is wild even not wide open so I want to see what she will do with heads here in 3-4 months
Looking at brodix or afr 180s this is a street car with majority daily driven miles. Track 1 time a year. Which head is better bang for the buck on durability, warranty, and all around street friendly?
I don't care if I make the most power. I want something that I can just use to play around with
This is a 383 and I'm scared 195 heads will create the need for a stall and gears
Thanks
Looking at brodix or afr 180s this is a street car with majority daily driven miles. Track 1 time a year. Which head is better bang for the buck on durability, warranty, and all around street friendly?
I don't care if I make the most power. I want something that I can just use to play around with
This is a 383 and I'm scared 195 heads will create the need for a stall and gears
Thanks
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AFR 195s. They will do the 383 the most good and velocity will be great for the street. You may want to ask better minds than mine to inquire about thicker head gaskets to reduce compression also. If I remember correctly..10.5/10.75 comp. is about the max for street octane.
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Year model helps
New cam with more duration?
What heads / cam and what CR do you have now ?
Does it have a custom tune?
New cam with more duration?
What heads / cam and what CR do you have now ?
Does it have a custom tune?
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Melting Slicks
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The catalog says the street head flow 280@.550. But most guys are seeing 286@.550. And the new comp port 195's flow almost 310cfm out of a little 195 head. Pretty remarkable. And there are some deals out there if you know where to look.
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212° / 222° .462" / .479"
Time for a new cam better suited
Waste of time putting on new heads that flow past .550 with that cam
Even your stock '113 heads flow to .500 lift
http://temp.corvetteforum.net/c4/vader86/113heads.html
Time for a new cam better suited
Waste of time putting on new heads that flow past .550 with that cam
Even your stock '113 heads flow to .500 lift
http://temp.corvetteforum.net/c4/vader86/113heads.html
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I think you may need to step back and get a good idea for where you want to end up, and what your budget will allow. I'm in the process of building a 383 for my 1990 Vett. I planned on saving some money, but to do it right it very hard to save anything.
IMO the stock exhaust will not breathe correctly, you need a cam with 112 degree lob separation so that you will have good vacuum on the street, and a cam with 226 straight across ZZ 409 will perform on the strip as well.
I have 200cc DART Pro 1 heads with a 64cc chamber, 2 relief flat top pistons which will put my CR at 11.04 / 1. I plan on machining the valve reliefs which should put the CR at 10.6 / 1. FYI the heads need to be aluminum as they will allow you to run a higher CR without detonation.
Long tube headers are a must to make it breath proper, and a reprogramed chip and.......... you really need to do it right so that you can enjoy the ride. Someone once told me "Don't save too much money, you can't take it with you.
Good Luck,
IMO the stock exhaust will not breathe correctly, you need a cam with 112 degree lob separation so that you will have good vacuum on the street, and a cam with 226 straight across ZZ 409 will perform on the strip as well.
I have 200cc DART Pro 1 heads with a 64cc chamber, 2 relief flat top pistons which will put my CR at 11.04 / 1. I plan on machining the valve reliefs which should put the CR at 10.6 / 1. FYI the heads need to be aluminum as they will allow you to run a higher CR without detonation.
Long tube headers are a must to make it breath proper, and a reprogramed chip and.......... you really need to do it right so that you can enjoy the ride. Someone once told me "Don't save too much money, you can't take it with you.
Good Luck,
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Being as hes using a TPI he may be able to make the 180s work fine.
Remember the ol Lingenfelter 113s thatwere used for so long thats about the same size. Not sure about the Dart 200 compatibility with the manifolds never tried them.
Pretty sire the SHP heads are the old Iron Eagle stuff were you referring to the Platinum series pieces?
Even with a flat tappet cam you will gain power over the 113s. Those ported/stock #s are very lackluster.
The .100 or .200-.400 count a LOT on the street. Moreso imo than that peak # that sells heads.
Stock valved 113s are good for 22x/230ish int/20x exh if done right but still leave lots to be desired. If you can DIY or know someone doing you a favor....lots of way to skin a cat.
Remember the ol Lingenfelter 113s thatwere used for so long thats about the same size. Not sure about the Dart 200 compatibility with the manifolds never tried them.
Pretty sire the SHP heads are the old Iron Eagle stuff were you referring to the Platinum series pieces?
Even with a flat tappet cam you will gain power over the 113s. Those ported/stock #s are very lackluster.
The .100 or .200-.400 count a LOT on the street. Moreso imo than that peak # that sells heads.
Stock valved 113s are good for 22x/230ish int/20x exh if done right but still leave lots to be desired. If you can DIY or know someone doing you a favor....lots of way to skin a cat.
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Being as hes using a TPI he may be able to make the 180s work fine.
Remember the ol Lingenfelter 113s thatwere used for so long thats about the same size. Not sure about the Dart 200 compatibility with the manifolds never tried them.
Pretty sire the SHP heads are the old Iron Eagle stuff were you referring to the Platinum series pieces?
Even with a flat tappet cam you will gain power over the 113s. Those ported/stock #s are very lackluster.
The .100 or .200-.400 count a LOT on the street. Moreso imo than that peak # that sells heads.
Stock valved 113s are good for 22x/230ish int/20x exh if done right but still leave lots to be desired. If you can DIY or know someone doing you a favor....lots of way to skin a cat.
Remember the ol Lingenfelter 113s thatwere used for so long thats about the same size. Not sure about the Dart 200 compatibility with the manifolds never tried them.
Pretty sire the SHP heads are the old Iron Eagle stuff were you referring to the Platinum series pieces?
Even with a flat tappet cam you will gain power over the 113s. Those ported/stock #s are very lackluster.
The .100 or .200-.400 count a LOT on the street. Moreso imo than that peak # that sells heads.
Stock valved 113s are good for 22x/230ish int/20x exh if done right but still leave lots to be desired. If you can DIY or know someone doing you a favor....lots of way to skin a cat.
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I do not disagree that the AFR's are good heads but I'm sure all of you who are saying it is so cut and dry have never used the brodix heads. i promise you no one with the brodix heads would have anything bad to say about those either.
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Have brodix on my 427 sb,nothing to say but a great head.the camaro race car i just sold had afr BB heads on it,nothing but a great head.I would say you are looking at the two best, i did have one bad stud on the afr after 2 years with a .714 lift roller but great power making heads..good luck
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