94 Radiator Flush, Fill and Bleed?

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Apr 12, 2013 | 05:59 PM
  #21  
Quote: 220 is not hot for a C4. Won't get there anyway with any temp stat if you radiator is clean.
Not designed for a stat as low as you put in

the only reason your car runs aroung 180 is because of the low temp stat and the fans running full blast.
180 is not warm enough
Are you talking about an 84 only?
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Apr 12, 2013 | 07:16 PM
  #22  
Quote: I would suggest that you remove the knock sensors (believe that there is one on each side of the block). This will drain the block where all your sediment would settle. I would then run hose water thru the radiator into the block to wash out as much as you can. Put the sensors back in and fill the system with water leaving the hose in the filler neck and the drain on the radiator open and start the engine and let it run. The water will flush thru the engine and out the radiator drain. Continue to run the water until it comes out clean. Let the engine cool and remove the sensors to drain the block of the hose water. Replace the sensors and fill with distilled water and coolant.
Saw this on the other post but I am not willing to take the chance pf the Knock sensors breaking. Won't this sediment or most come out with a full flush without removing the Knock sensers?

The fill reservoir above the heater should be removed and flushed out as well. This has a low spot that also gathers a lot of sediment.

Not sure where this reservoir is but I will look.


Yes, just a single bleeder valve on the 94. I replaced my thermostat and my friends with a 160 degree "Fail Safe" brand thermostat. They run about $32, much more expensive than a standard thermostat. BUT if the thermostat fails....if fails OPEN and not closed. I usually drill a small 1/16" hole in the thermostat to help bleed the air from being trapped by the thermostat before it opens. The Fail Safe already had a hole. I placed the hole at the front which is the high point. If your car is still on the ramps, this will help bleed the air even better.

I am not as ambitous as you but thanks for this thorough advice!!
No need to use the bleeder valve when your flushing the system.

When you are filling the system (if there is a separate cap for the radiator) I would leave the radiator cap on and fill thru the reservoir above the heater core. Leave the bleeder valve closed until you have coolant flowing thru the reservoir. Be sue to place rags under the hose around the hose where the bleeder valve is located. You will get air when you open the bleeder and coolant. You don't want any coolant getting to the OPTI. Be careful that the rags are away from the serp. belt. I would open and close the bleeder several times as the engine is run and heats up.
Thank You!!
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Apr 12, 2013 | 07:23 PM
  #23  
Thank you Fred!!
Quote: The coolant fluid and water won't bother the Race Ramps. If the coolant was at operating temperature that could be a problem. But I don't think you would be working on the radiator with the coolant at 180 degrees.

Perhaps someone else can comment on what affect the angle of the car (while on ramps) would have on the flushing procedure.
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Apr 12, 2013 | 07:30 PM
  #24  
Quote: Don't need one of those^

with all of that except that I'd add after the part in bold,
*disconnect your heater core hoses and run your garden hose water into one, catching what comes out the other. This will thoroughly flush the heater core.

Where is this heater core? Its raining right now in NY and i do not have it in a garage to look at it right now. Tomorow is supposed to be a nice day so I will be looking for this heater core in the morning
Filling/bleeding is a breeze. On mine, I literally opened the bleeder, poured in the coolant, and when the bleeder started flowing, I closed it, then topped off the system and I was done. Piece of cake.
Thank You!
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Apr 12, 2013 | 07:35 PM
  #25  
Quote: If you have not replaced the hoses, I would suggest that you replace all hoses including those that go to the heater. There is also a heater control valve made of plastic on one of the heater hoses. Chances are that is will crack, so replace that also.

You will also see two aluminum tubes screwed to the passenger side of the wheel well that have factory crimped rubber hoses. (see.... http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c4-t...-95-vette.html
One has a hose that goes to the radiator and then to the fill reservoir and "T's" with a line going to the rear of the engine. These hoses should be replaced with stock 3/8 heater hose. Please note that the aluminum tube has a restriction (tube is necked down to a hole about 1/16") in the tube at the radiator end and is often plugged. I just replaced all the hoses on my friends 94 and this was plugged. When I changed my hoses on the 95 the tube was also plugged. Use a wire, compressed air or what you can find to open the hole and clean out the tube.
I have a different set up in the 94. Here is a pic http://s1274.photobucket.com/user/br...oling%20system
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Apr 12, 2013 | 09:20 PM
  #26  
Yes, I know that the 94 is a little different than my 95. But last week i changed EVERY HOSE on my friends 94. There is a single 3/8" hose off the passenger side of the radiator that connects to the aluminum line. This forward section is what is often plugged because the line diameter is restricted to about a 1/16" hole. The aluminum line then goes to the rear and is split. One section goes to the filler reservoir (connected with the rubber hose see picture, it is the bottom hose clamp) and the other (about 16-18 inch long rubber hose goes to another tube that runs to the rear of the engine. The section that goes to the reservoir connects to the lower part. There is another 3/8" rubber hose that comes off the top of the reservoir in the cap section that goes to the other aluminum tube and then down to the white plastic overflow tank up front.

Let me see if I can get a picture of my reservoir on my 95...it is in the same location as your 94. Will be back with a picture.

Picture...

The hoses to the heater core are under the tank. The core is inside the car, not the engine bay.
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Apr 13, 2013 | 10:41 AM
  #27  
Quote: The hoses to the heater core are under the tank. The core is inside the car, not the engine bay.
John is right. So to flush the old coolant out of the heater core, locate those two hoses (they're about 5/8" diameter) and disconnect them from the engine at a convenient location. Pour tap water into one hose, and have the other hose going to your collection bucket. When the water come out clear, your heater core is flushed. I usually blow through the hoses after that to get a chunk of tap water out before I hook the hoses back up...but that is probably not necessary. I am looking to get the system as clean and empty as I can, before the new fill.
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Apr 13, 2013 | 11:17 AM
  #28  
OK now that makes more sense to me. A picture paints a thousand words. Thank you!!
Quote: Yes, I know that the 94 is a little different than my 95. But last week i changed EVERY HOSE on my friends 94. There is a single 3/8" hose off the passenger side of the radiator that connects to the aluminum line. This forward section is what is often plugged because the line diameter is restricted to about a 1/16" hole. The aluminum line then goes to the rear and is split. One section goes to the filler reservoir (connected with the rubber hose see picture, it is the bottom hose clamp) and the other (about 16-18 inch long rubber hose goes to another tube that runs to the rear of the engine. The section that goes to the reservoir connects to the lower part. There is another 3/8" rubber hose that comes off the top of the reservoir in the cap section that goes to the other aluminum tube and then down to the white plastic overflow tank up front.

Let me see if I can get a picture of my reservoir on my 95...it is in the same location as your 94. Will be back with a picture.

The hoses to the heater core are under the tank. The core is inside the car, not the engine bay.
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Apr 13, 2013 | 11:18 AM
  #29  
Quote: John is right. So to flush the old coolant out of the heater core, locate those two hoses (they're about 5/8" diameter) and disconnect them from the engine at a convenient location. Pour tap water into one hose, and have the other hose going to your collection bucket. When the water come out clear, your heater core is flushed. I usually blow through the hoses after that to get a chunk of tap water out before I hook the hoses back up...but that is probably not necessary. I am looking to get the system as clean and empty as I can, before the new fill.
Thank You Tom!
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Apr 13, 2013 | 01:00 PM
  #30  
Does the car overheat if you do not open the bleeder valve?
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Apr 13, 2013 | 01:16 PM
  #31  
No, it should not. Especially since you should have the cap off the fill reservoir as you are adding coolant. Air will be forced thru the system and come bubbling up in the reservoir.
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Apr 13, 2013 | 01:37 PM
  #32  
Quote: No, it should not. Especially since you should have the cap off the fill reservoir as you are adding coolant. Air will be forced thru the system and come bubbling up in the reservoir.
It was bubbling over and out so I closed the cap. It went over 233 (overheated) on the digital temp and hit 260 (overheated) on the analog. I shut it down. Opened bleeder valve on passanger side to let steam out. Started the car again with the one bleeder valve open until antifreeze came out then closed it. This time just the analog temp guage went to 260 but the digital went to 180. Waiting for it to cool down and then I will open the driver side bleeder while the car is running. Think this will help?
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Apr 13, 2013 | 02:01 PM
  #33  
Did your fans come one?? You can help things along if you turn on your A/C...this forces the fans on early.

Concerned about the two different temp readings...260 vs 180?

I would have run it with the A/C on to keep the temps in line as you continued to fill the system. I only had to open the bleeder on the thermostat housing a couple of times when I did my firend's 94.

Did you have coolant flowing in from the lower 3/8" line into the reservoir? This comes from the top of the radiator and would purge air trapped at the top of the radiator. If you didn't, then the line is plugged.
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Apr 13, 2013 | 02:13 PM
  #34  
Quote: Did your fans come one?? You can help things along if you turn on your A/C...this forces the fans on early. Fan came onwhen the analog hit 238 (normal)

Concerned about the two different temp readings...260 vs 180? Beats me.

I would have run it with the A/C Ran the heater. Make a difference?on to keep the temps in line as you continued to fill the system. I only had to open the bleeder on the thermostat housing a couple of times when I did my firend's 94.

Did you have coolant flowing in from the lower 3/8" line into the reservoir? This comes from the top of the radiator and would purge air trapped at the top of the radiator. If you didn't, then the line is plugged. With the reservoir cap off it was bubbling out so I had to close it. That 3/8 line from the overflow tank??
Just came in from trying again. Had a friend close the driver bleeder when freeze came out but the Alalog guage again went to almost 260. We noticed that the bottom radiator passanger side hose is cold and no pressure. Dont understand why
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Apr 13, 2013 | 02:22 PM
  #35  
1. Don't put any weight on what the analog gauge says. It is just a "rough estimate" of the operating conditions. Use the digital gauge.

2. system doesn't "know" or "care" if the heater is on or not, so don't worry about having the heater on. Only reason you'd run the heater during this excercise would be to prove to yourself that the coolant is cirulating coolant through the heater core.

John is suggesting the AC b/c it makes the electric cooling fan run, which could help your "high temps" -if you are really getting high temps.

If you had the bleeder open, air came out, then you got a good airless slug of coolant, then closed it you're done with the coolant.

If your radiator is cold, and you engine is hot (hotter than 200*), then your thermostat isn't opening, or your water pump isn't pumping.

Try the test again...monitor only the digital gauge.
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Apr 13, 2013 | 02:30 PM
  #36  
There should be coolant in the hose (bottom) it goes to the thermostat housing. Your stat is not opening or you installed it upside down. You are not getting coolant flowing thru the engine if this hose is cold!!!!
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Apr 13, 2013 | 02:56 PM
  #37  
I don't think it's possible to install an LT1 thermostat upside down, is it? AFAIK, it won't fit (upside down) w/in the T-stat housing. (?)
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Apr 13, 2013 | 03:09 PM
  #38  
Quote: Just came in from trying again. Had a friend close the driver bleeder when freeze came out but the Alalog guage again went to almost 260. We noticed that the bottom radiator passanger side hose is cold and no pressure. Dont understand why
Yes on the air being purged from the 3/8 hose into the reservoir. It was bubbling. Started it again with cap off. Analog guage way past 260 and digital guage 233 so I shut it down. Antifreeze spewing all over from the reservoir with the cap off.
The bottom hose got hot this time.
This sucks!! I took some pics of the temps. Will post later.
Not sure what else to do. Maybe need to take to my local shop to check for me.
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Apr 13, 2013 | 03:25 PM
  #39  
Decided to take the theostat out. That hose does mot seem to ne getting anything. Radiator inlet hose no problem
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Apr 13, 2013 | 03:40 PM
  #40  
Are your fans coming on?
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