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Old Aug 26, 2014 | 11:02 AM
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Had my 90 s vett L98 for about 14 years and this is what I have TH 400 trams with a gear vendor and man/valve body hocked up to a B&M shifter , G44 diff 3.07 . Getting fed up with the high rpm at cruise looking for some input for better ratios . Love the pullaway but I think I can afford to loose a bit .Thanks
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Old Aug 26, 2014 | 11:31 AM
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Put a stock OD trans back into it?
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Old Aug 26, 2014 | 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Tom400CFI
Put a stock OD trans back into it?
At the time of doing the mods the most who I asked said don't run the700 as it just won't last behind 600 HP so I had Frank lupo from dynamic transmission, s build me a beefed up th400 and we stuck the gear vendor on the back . Not looking to undo all of that just some advise on rear end gear selection , I live in the England so parts are not there on the shelf for me . And I am by no means a expert on gearing . Thanks
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What is the RPM at cruise speeds?
And at what speed?
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Old Aug 26, 2014 | 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by chevyowner
What is the RPM at cruise speeds?
And at what speed?
Had a few numbers fresh in my head on Friday ,should of wrote them down but I am sure 3000rpm = 50 mph. Ish .
It's getting late here now and raining buy will get the speed and rpm tomorrow afternoon .Thanks
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what ratio is your gearvendor ? 3.07 and just about any OD should be pretty good.
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Old Aug 26, 2014 | 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by project C4
what ratio is your gearvendor ? 3.07 and just about any OD should be pretty good.
Overdrive is .78 to 1. And I think The 700r4 is .69 to 1
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Old Aug 26, 2014 | 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by paul buckner
Had a few numbers fresh in my head on Friday ,should of wrote them down but I am sure 3000rpm = 50 mph. Ish .
It's getting late here now and raining buy will get the speed and rpm tomorrow afternoon .Thanks
That does not make sense, a gear vendor and 3.07 ratio should be good. At 60 MPH with a 3.07 ratio and no overdrive of the gear vendor unit should only be 2400 RPM with the .78 overdrive it should only be 1871 RPM.
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Your GV OD isn't working.
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Old Aug 26, 2014 | 02:34 PM
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Be back tomorrow with numbers, I'll take the flak because I should have wrote it all down . But was doing some boat run RPMs Vs speed for correct props on Sunday so now I have all sorts of numbers jumbled up .
Apart from last Friday I haven't used the car for a while but I allways thought I would have a top speed of 150 mph if I ran flat out at 6000 rpm so I am going to guess its 50 mph at 2000 rpm , and the overdrive was def working as I watched the rpm drop every time I pushes the floor button .
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It's a good thing that you're going to verify some fact, b/c something is way off. You're not running go-kart tires are you?

Using any one of a number of calulators, and inputting the gear ratios for a THM400 trans, the rear that you claim you have, and the od gear ratio that you said you have, you should be going 65-70 at 2000 RPM.

Disregard the "5th gear" column, but PLAY WITH THE NUMBERS HERE and see for yourself. Either your OD isn't working, your rear gear isn't what you think it is, your speedo is way off, or you have teeny-weeny wheels and tires.
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Originally Posted by Tom400CFI
It's a good thing that you're going to verify some fact, b/c something is way off. You're not running go-kart tires are you?

Using any one of a number of calulators, and inputting the gear ratios for a THM400 trans, the rear that you claim you have, and the od gear ratio that you said you have, you should be going 65-70 at 2000 RPM.

Disregard the "5th gear" column, but PLAY WITH THE NUMBERS HERE and see for yourself. Either your OD isn't working, your rear gear isn't what you think it is, your speedo is way off, or you have teeny-weeny wheels and tires.
You are not wrong somthing is way off . going out in it tomorrow armed with pen , paper , gps and will do proper test , with OD on and off ..
Although I have had the car for a long time I haven't driven it that much ,as soon as I got the power out of it that I wanted I got back in to powerboats and the car took a back seat . I all check rear end ratio .but I am sure it is 3.07 . Std wheel size . Just been informed by gear vender I should be at 93 mph at 3000 rpm in OD . That's never happend I would be very happy with them numbers . The car has allways driven how it drove last Friday I just assumed that how it was because I changed to a Th400 , thanks for your help I appreciate it .
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Cool. Looking forward to hearing/seeing what you find.
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Originally Posted by Tom400CFI
Cool. Looking forward to hearing/seeing what you find.

me too maybe something has never worked wright from day one , getting interesting . Talk to you tomorrow .
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Are you sure your tach isnt reading way off? 90/91's are known to suck tach wise

Good Luck with it.


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Iam back ! First I checked rear end it is a 3.07 .speedo was spot on against GPS .
2000rpm=34mph
3000rpm=49mph
4000rpm=62mph. All done in 3 RD no O/D

3000rpm= 60mph
4000rpm=75mph. O/V. On

I watched the revs and it's defiantly going in all 3 gears but not a big drop from 2nd to 3 rd .
I will have to find a auto/ trans. Expert over here to see what's going on .
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Are you sure your tach isnt reading way off? 90/91's are known to suck tach wise

Good Luck with it.


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That is a good point....but I'd think one would recognize the sound of an engine at ~2k when the tach SAYS that it's turning 4k (at 75 mph, for example).
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I can tell the diff between 2000 and 4000 !! It's 2000 !! Just kidding .
I'd know if the tach was that far out.
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Originally Posted by paul buckner
I can tell the diff between 2000 and 4000 !! It's 2000 !! Just kidding .
I'd know if the tach was that far out.

Put a scanner on the ALDL and that should confirm your tach error. I had the issue with mine when I bought it, I was planning on building a 3.90 or a 4.10 rear and I was interested in what RPMs I'd be faced with so I did a GPS with my '90 ZR-1 and using the factory tach it said I was already at 4.0+. Put a scanner on the ALDL and the error became obvious.

I use a different calculator than Tom and I use measured tire dimensions based on "load" but my numbers are very close to the calculator that he used and gave you the link to. The one I use is used to figure the RPM drop between shifts based on tire, axle ratio, transmission.

The tach error isn't linear or a fixed % like a speedometer. It's erratic as hell.

If your car has C68 A/C you could use the display there to confirm the error also I'd think. The scanner on the ALDL will confirm! I had a GV in an '85 dually with a 4.56 rear. Drove 100+ miles a day to and from work. Fuel was certainly an issue.

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Originally Posted by WVZR-1
Put a scanner on the ALDL and that should confirm your tach error. I had the issue with mine when I bought it, I was planning on building a 3.90 or a 4.10 rear and I was interested in what RPMs I'd be faced with so I did a GPS with my '90 ZR-1 and using the factory tach it said I was already at 4.0+. Put a scanner on the ALDL and the error became obvious.

I use a different calculator than Tom and I use measured tire dimensions based on "load" but my numbers are very close to the calculator that he used and gave you the link to. The one I use is used to figure the RPM drop between shifts based on tire, axle ratio, transmission.

If your car has C68 A/C you could use the display there to confirm the error also I'd think. The scanner on the ALDL will confirm! I had a GV in an '85 dually with a 4.56 rear. Drove 100+ miles a day to and from work. Fuel was certainly an issue.
Thanks I will have to look into this , no a/c pump still has the pulley but no pump , car runs Fast XFI computer , the original PCM is still connected as it still runs the speedo . Will have to find somone over here that knows what there doing as fas as PCM , way out of my capability ,
Iam ok with spanners by stay away from anything with electrickery .
Thanks again paul
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