open vs closed mode.
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Melting Slicks
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open vs closed mode.
When does the car goes in open vs closed mode?
And what could be wrong if the car runs great when you just started it after a night in the garage, but when it gets hot it runs much worse, power loss? False knocks? Bad MAP censor?
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And what could be wrong if the car runs great when you just started it after a night in the garage, but when it gets hot it runs much worse, power loss? False knocks? Bad MAP censor?
Regards
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Re: open vs closed mode. (devilfish)
the car goes into closed loop as soon as it gets up to temperature (like 160), it starts in open loop
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Re: open vs closed mode. (devilfish)
Upon start up ECM will go closed loop when the following all have occured:
1) a preset amount of time has elapsed
2) coolant temp reaches prescribed level
3) the O2 sensor is responding properly
It will then go into open loop (reading but ignoring O2 sensor data) when it senses the WOT condition.
When you first start up the engine is cold and you have a rich condition. Mine also has most power under this condition.
To reduce knock by lower engine temp, proper octane fuel, correct ignition timing.
I believe that a failed MAP, like a failed MAF, should throw a code. Though when my MAF failed it didn't throw a code the engine just wouldn't run.
1) a preset amount of time has elapsed
2) coolant temp reaches prescribed level
3) the O2 sensor is responding properly
It will then go into open loop (reading but ignoring O2 sensor data) when it senses the WOT condition.
When you first start up the engine is cold and you have a rich condition. Mine also has most power under this condition.
To reduce knock by lower engine temp, proper octane fuel, correct ignition timing.
I believe that a failed MAP, like a failed MAF, should throw a code. Though when my MAF failed it didn't throw a code the engine just wouldn't run.
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Melting Slicks
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Re: open vs closed mode. (bill mcdonald)
well I know that car always goes better when its cold. But when my car gets hot the SOTP feel is alot less. Its like i loose 50 hp. :/
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Re: open vs closed mode. (devilfish)
I'm not sure about the sensor stuff, but i dont think it will even run w/o an O2 sensor sending signals back to the ECM.
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Re: open vs closed mode. (devilfish)
Generally a bad cat won't show up until it's hot as you described. I have run into bad cats. many many times, and the cars all acted just like you have desribed. Just an educated guess though :)