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Old Dec 2, 2015 | 10:16 PM
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Stock was a 24#/35psi injector....

is it okay to go to a 24#/43.5psi without modding anything else or will my car run like crap?
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call Jon at FIC good info and best prices

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thanks, i just discovered him, probably will pick up some rebuilts, 189 is about the most fair I have seen.
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Originally Posted by HarleysVette
1985 Corvette-

Stock was a 24#/35psi injector....

is it okay to go to a 24#/43.5psi without modding anything else or will my car run like crap?
Sounds like a 22pph injector when rated at 43.5. If you up it to 24, the ECM could compensate. at 30pph, definitely not. And I know this from experience.
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Do not get 22lb Accels unless you want to lose some power.

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Originally Posted by antfarmer2
call Jon at FIC good info and best prices
- just bought 24# bosch3's for my 85 from FIC. 4X repeat customer - great customer service, and never an issue!
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Originally Posted by HarleysVette
thanks, i just discovered him, probably will pick up some rebuilts, 189 is about the most fair I have seen.
you have a PM...
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Originally Posted by Joe C
- just bought 24# bosch3's for my 85 from FIC. 4X repeat customer - great customer service, and never an issue!
I don't need injectors from him at this time but I too am a repeat customer because I will send him my injectors for testing and cleaning every so often.

I took a perfectly running car and sent injectors off to him although everyone said it was a waste of money, the injectors are fine, throw some snake oil at it and life is good. "Before" test showed one was way off and the rest were kinda varying. "After" test showed that the set was pretty matched. The one that was way off had a collapsed filter basket.

Know what? I did borrow a tech school's bench and wasn't sure I was reading it right that one was off. Now we know why. 100K for daily driven cars and 3 years for powersports and the Vette that sits in the garage during winter.
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when the 85 TPI engine was being engineered, it was the first ECM controlled multi port injected engine in a mass produced car for GM, so there was a couple of "over engineered" things going into it,
the injectors were slightly bigger than they needed to be, so there was no nasty lean outs, eventually in production fuel pressure was lowered to compensate. The industry standard for measuring injectors is 43 psi.
The engines were fitted with TRW forged pistons, again taking no chances with lean outs or engine damage.
They ran batch fire to ensure plenty of fuel flow (and thats pretty much all the 870 computer could handle)
The engineers were probably crossing their fingers for the first year, and everything went all right, so in 86 they went to 22 lb injectors and upped the ECM computing power.

you can run 35 psi, you can run 43 psi, depends how hard you drive your car really ?
when you re attach your vacuum line it runs less pressure during normal driving anyway.
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Originally Posted by blackozvet
you can run 35 psi, you can run 43 psi, depends how hard you drive your car really ?

when you re attach your vacuum line it runs less pressure during normal driving anyway.
I don't follow. IF the ECM was set up with 43 and you run 35, wouldn't it go lean? I would think that it is best to run whatever the factory pressure, be it 35 or 43 since that is what is calibrated for. Sure, you maybe can run 35 even if you are set up for 43 and maybe you can get away with it but I would think that if you want to run off the reservation, wouldn't you want to datalog to be sure before you burn a hole in the piston or run too rich?

True, with the hose it runs less than max but if you hit WOT, it will run lean if you crank the pressure down. And if you are not going to run WOT now and then, why even get a Vette?
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I don't follow. IF the ECM was set up with 43 and you run 35, wouldn't it go lean? I would think that it is best to run whatever the factory pressure, be it 35 or 43 since that is what is calibrated for. Sure, you maybe can run 35 even if you are set up for 43 and maybe you can get away with it but I would think that if you want to run off the reservation, wouldn't you want to datalog to be sure before you burn a hole in the piston or run too rich?

True, with the hose it runs less than max but if you hit WOT, it will run lean if you crank the pressure down. And if you are not going to run WOT now and then, why even get a Vette?
"There have been many types of fuel injectors. The majority now work when an electromagnetic coil lifts a ferrous pintle or needle off its seat so fuel can squeeze through to the nozzle’s aperture and into the intake air channel. In 1989, GM introduced their own fuel injector. These are Multec fuel injectors. The Multec injector uses a ball to close off fuel flow and the injectors are raised up out of the intake runner slightly. Raising the injector kept the tip cleaner and the ball provided multiple seats to close off fuel flow. Because gasoline has such low viscosity, even minuscule pintle or ball movement is enough to release the amount of fuel the engine needs. The Engine Control Module (ECM) or Powertrain Control Module (PCM) operates the fuel injectors, varying their delivery volume by the time it actuates their coils, the on-time or pulsewidth is measured in milliseconds. The computer calculates this time based on information from its sensors. These include the throttle position sensor, the engine coolant temperature sensor, the intake manifold pressure sensor, the mass airflow sensor, the crankshaft position sensor on 1996 Corvettes, and various other inputs depending on the year of your car."


the pulsewidth of the injector is not a set value, the ECM constantly changes it to suit the feedback it gets from the sensors, particularly the O2 sensor.
so 35 psi is probably good if your on a Sunday afternoon club cruise, and 43 (or even higher in some cases) is probably good if your doing some Sunday afternoon autocross.

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Originally Posted by blackozvet
the pulsewidth of the injector is not a set value, the ECM constantly changes it to suit the feedback it gets from the sensors, particularly the O2 sensor.

so 35 psi is probably good if your on a Sunday afternoon club cruise, and 43 (or even higher in some cases) is probably good if your doing some Sunday afternoon autocross.
I agree, with provision. That provision being that it can only go up to a certain point. Since I am not sure what that point could be, I wouldn't dare to go to far in case I burn my piston out. The ECM did adjust to 19 degrees of timing at the distributor. You end up with an unstable idle and a lot of knock counts and pulling back of the timing. As they say, just because a person CAN sleep with their sister doesn't make it a good idea.

I don't know about the driving you do but every day it is in my hands is at least 2 or 3 WOT runs.
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