Lsx/4+3 swap
#41
Le Mans Master
I love this swap. Now you have me rethinking rebuilding my L98. Altho I would likely stat N/A and want to keep my 700R4 to keep costs down. I'm sure that would put me in cable hell. I'm keeping a close eye on this build. It's good to know there are a few guys out there that might be able to support if someone takes on a project like this.
#42
Burning Brakes
The C beam is easy fix, I just cut mine in half and welded in an extension chunk. If you don't have a tig welder, you could make one out of steel, of course a thinner gauge of steel would be required.
I'm using the 700R in my 2005 LQ9 swap. The bell housing bolts up fine. I'm also reusing the LQ9 flex plate with no adapter. I had to use my die grind for the factory torque converter to bolt up.
My LQ9 is sitting forward of where the L98 was originally. You also have to get a new drive shaft made as I had to move the transmission.
I'm using an 04 corvette power steering supply hose, it fit in there pretty good and its cheaper than making a custom hose.
I'm using the 700R in my 2005 LQ9 swap. The bell housing bolts up fine. I'm also reusing the LQ9 flex plate with no adapter. I had to use my die grind for the factory torque converter to bolt up.
My LQ9 is sitting forward of where the L98 was originally. You also have to get a new drive shaft made as I had to move the transmission.
I'm using an 04 corvette power steering supply hose, it fit in there pretty good and its cheaper than making a custom hose.
#43
Drifting
Thread Starter
I love this swap. Now you have me rethinking rebuilding my L98. Altho I would likely stat N/A and want to keep my 700R4 to keep costs down. I'm sure that would put me in cable hell. I'm keeping a close eye on this build. It's good to know there are a few guys out there that might be able to support if someone takes on a project like this.
i wouldn't waste the $ building a gen I. Before this a built a 355 for my thirdgen and also did a vortec 350 swap. What a waste of effort and $ when you can pick up lsx engines on the cheap and they're already a millions times better/more efficient.
#44
Drifting
Thread Starter
Had to pull it out to I can put my oil drain in the pan plus I forgot my inspection plate anyways. What a pain-had to do it by myself so I separated them. It's going back in together from now on.
Last edited by armybyrd; 04-07-2017 at 08:57 PM.
#45
Drifting
Thread Starter
anyone have experience doing the harness for a c4? I've decided I'd like to do this myself since I'm tired of relying on others plus it'll save a good chunk of $.
#46
Drifting
Thread Starter
Drain fitting is in but there's always setbacks. I had 3 broken exhaust studs but was only able to get 2 out. I ended up getting a spare head for cheap so I'm just
Gonna swap it. Should have the engine/tranny back in this weekend though. From there I'll install my accessories and have my exhaust done.
Gonna swap it. Should have the engine/tranny back in this weekend though. From there I'll install my accessories and have my exhaust done.
Last edited by armybyrd; 04-14-2017 at 11:46 AM.
#47
Le Mans Master
Ch@os did his own wire harness if I remember correctly. I think he might have taken an f-body harness and trimmed it to work, I'd have to search to find out.
#48
Drifting
Thread Starter
Small update-my buddy who was going to do the harness and hotside bailed on me so I started on the wiring myself. I spent a few hours yesterday removing all the wires not needed from my blue/green pcm harness and I am just about done labeling everything. I've been using lt1swap.com for the pin layouts. Of the few guys who've done C4 lsx swaps did anyone do their own harness? So far its been pretty simple-just tedious and I'm wondering at what point does it get complicated or if it even does. Also I haven't touched my C4's harness yet and I still need to know what wires will be needed (I am keeping the digi dash).
#49
i would like to help out but havnt done it yet.
ill have a look on the net over breakfast and see if i can find anything
ill have a look on the net over breakfast and see if i can find anything
#50
Melting Slicks
Bill, ZFDoc did this engine swap, mated to a ZF6, but I didn't ask details. He has an adapter plate for the ZF. I may have this project in my future, too.
#51
Drifting
Thread Starter
Are these guys still around? Seems like most end up buying an aftermarket harness. I've already got a relay/fuse kit from BP automotive that's made for this swap and it'll definitely help clean up all the wiring.
#52
Le Mans Master
he starts talking about the wiring around post 186 I think he used an f-body harness and spliced it to his c4 harness.
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...my-swap-3.html
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armybyrd (04-18-2017)
#53
Drifting
Thread Starter
Borrowed from Ch@os:
L98 ECM To LS1 PCM
C6 TPI PCM ground-----------------------------B1,B10,R1,R40 LS1 PCM ground
A3 secondary cooling fan DK blue/white ---------R33 cooling fan 2 relay
A9 primary cooling fan Lt blu/blk-----------------B42 cooling fan 1 relay
D7 fuel pump realy drive green/white-----------R9 Fuel pump relay control
B3 diagnostic test terminal White/blk-------------B58 class 2 serial (unpinned from TPI ALDL to LS ALDL)
B5,B11 serial data Tan---------------------------B14 ?UART 800 bus serial? (this may not work)
B6 VATTS DK/Blue -----------------------------R30 Fuel enable
B8 PPM CCM radio DK Grn/white------------------R50 Vehicle speed output
B10 12 V Ignition feed PNK/BLK-------------------B19 ignition pos volt
C1,B17 constant 12V ORG -----------------------B20,B57 constant 12V to PCM
D11 Neutral Safety Switch ORG/BlK---------------B34 PNP switch signal
Purple wire from brake switch--------------------B33 TCC brake switch
B1 black/white SES light -------------------------R46 Malfunction Indicator Lamp
White wire that went to Tach filter-----------------R10 Tach
Save INJ1 and INJ2 from TPI and connect to Pink wires on LS harness Coil/Injector drives 1 and 2
From Ch@o's thread this appears to be the only wires from the stock C4 that need to be spliced into the LSx harness?
L98 ECM To LS1 PCM
C6 TPI PCM ground-----------------------------B1,B10,R1,R40 LS1 PCM ground
A3 secondary cooling fan DK blue/white ---------R33 cooling fan 2 relay
A9 primary cooling fan Lt blu/blk-----------------B42 cooling fan 1 relay
D7 fuel pump realy drive green/white-----------R9 Fuel pump relay control
B3 diagnostic test terminal White/blk-------------B58 class 2 serial (unpinned from TPI ALDL to LS ALDL)
B5,B11 serial data Tan---------------------------B14 ?UART 800 bus serial? (this may not work)
B6 VATTS DK/Blue -----------------------------R30 Fuel enable
B8 PPM CCM radio DK Grn/white------------------R50 Vehicle speed output
B10 12 V Ignition feed PNK/BLK-------------------B19 ignition pos volt
C1,B17 constant 12V ORG -----------------------B20,B57 constant 12V to PCM
D11 Neutral Safety Switch ORG/BlK---------------B34 PNP switch signal
Purple wire from brake switch--------------------B33 TCC brake switch
B1 black/white SES light -------------------------R46 Malfunction Indicator Lamp
White wire that went to Tach filter-----------------R10 Tach
Save INJ1 and INJ2 from TPI and connect to Pink wires on LS harness Coil/Injector drives 1 and 2
From Ch@o's thread this appears to be the only wires from the stock C4 that need to be spliced into the LSx harness?
Last edited by armybyrd; 04-17-2017 at 04:09 PM.
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dclafleur (04-18-2017)
#54
Burning Brakes
Ya the wiring is a pain in the butt. I have yet to fire my car yet.
I spent yesterday fabbing up a 3in exhaust for my car. I probably have around $120 into the build. I had a bunch of 3in elbows/bend and exhaust piping laying around from previous builds.
3in is probably over kill for the car.
My fuel system is very leaky I hate cheap skate over seas fittings.
I spent yesterday fabbing up a 3in exhaust for my car. I probably have around $120 into the build. I had a bunch of 3in elbows/bend and exhaust piping laying around from previous builds.
3in is probably over kill for the car.
My fuel system is very leaky I hate cheap skate over seas fittings.
#55
What application is the LUK clutch kit you are using? Prat numbers? I am starting the same swap on my 85, I have a 2003 6.0 and going to use the 4+3 DNE trans. Do you know what starter motor is needed for this application?
Thanks and good luick.
Thanks and good luick.
#56
Drifting
Thread Starter
Just gotta add a spacer and turnbuckle but the hood my large case alt.
about halfway through with my harness and need to bolt my c-beam in. Also decided to use electric power steering and finally have my alternator mounted.
as for the starter I've read they're interchangeable and also otherwise so I'm just going to wait till I'm about done and pick one up at a local parts store in case I need to exchange it.
Last edited by armybyrd; 05-11-2017 at 01:55 PM.
#57
Le Mans Master
I'll look up the pn when I get home this evening. What stage of the swap are you in?
about halfway through with my harness and need to bolt my c-beam in. Also decided to use electric power steering and finally have my alternator mounted.
as for the starter I've read they're interchangeable and also otherwise so I'm just going to wait till I'm about done and pick one up at a local parts store in case I need to exchange it.
#58
Drifting
Thread Starter
This is what I'm planning on for my alt-obviously still needs spacers. Anyone see any issues with this?
Not much progress made lately-need a hand getting my c-beam bolts in and at a stand still with my harness.
How does the C4 harness come out near the battery? I've got the half that goes through the firewall out and have undone the nuts near the rest but it's a big gooey mess and I'm still trying to get it all out. Also I'm not 100% on how to go about merging the harnesses as far as what exactly is needed from the stock C4 harness. Seems like most are just buying aftermarket harnesses but I've got a truck harness stripped down and labeled.
Not much progress made lately-need a hand getting my c-beam bolts in and at a stand still with my harness.
How does the C4 harness come out near the battery? I've got the half that goes through the firewall out and have undone the nuts near the rest but it's a big gooey mess and I'm still trying to get it all out. Also I'm not 100% on how to go about merging the harnesses as far as what exactly is needed from the stock C4 harness. Seems like most are just buying aftermarket harnesses but I've got a truck harness stripped down and labeled.
Last edited by armybyrd; 05-14-2017 at 08:42 AM.
#60
Burning Brakes
I fired up my LQ9 yesterday, wow that engine sounds awesome. The 3in exhaust sounds great.
What a long journey to get to that point. Just waiting on a few pieces, and see what I can break.
Its gonna be awesome to see what your set-up looks like with the turbo installed.
What a long journey to get to that point. Just waiting on a few pieces, and see what I can break.
Its gonna be awesome to see what your set-up looks like with the turbo installed.